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I did find Ellen with husband John on the 1841/51/61 census's still at Watford and not having any children or any other family members with them, only servants listed on all census's,

So as i said before i cannot find a positive connection to Ephriam or Harriet

although i have not had a look for Ellen's maiden name.

Roy

just a reminder that I'm still here... haha

Also who is Ellen Robins related to? what is she to harriette and is she a relation of harriettes husband, Ephriem?

Would the 1911 entry that states harrietts 25 year old daughter as florrie be Mary? Their year of birth appears to be the same and Mary's middle name is florence???

Thanks for the information, it is quite interesting, I never would have found it on my own!! The Spanish link would appear to be very distant then, haha the rumour was that our family descended from gypsies in spain!!

nudge, for Victoria.

Roy

1871
Name: Harriett Ranson (could be Ransom)
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Whetstone, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Finchley
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Barnet
Sub registration district: Finchley
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 160
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Ranson 55 born: Hatfield, Hertfordshire
Sarah Ranson 43 born: Staffordshire
Henry Ranson 13
George Ranson 12
Harriett Ranson 8
Arthur Ranson 6
Emma Ranson 5
Charlotte Ranson 2
Alfred Ranson 3 month

now her is a spanish connection? I cannot link them other than Ranson's and Duffell, are down as Niece to Ellen Robins,
and Joseph Ranson is down as born Hertfordshire and they are in Hertfordshire

1871
Name: Ellen Robins down as widow
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Watford
Town: Watford
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Watford
Sub registration district: Watford
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Robins 66
Ellen F Duffell 39 born: Lincs, United States Relation: Niece
Rafaela Ranson 33 born: Granada, Spain Relation: Niece
Christiana M Ranson 12 born: Seville, Spain Relation: Niece
Mary Rose Ranson 4 born: Hackney, Middlesex Relation: Niece
Sarah Sheppard 56
Rhoda Lipscombe 40
Jane Punches 31

I cannot tell if Ellen F Duffell or Rafaela Ranson are married as their are lines through that part of the image
Roy

1911 entry
ROBINS, EPHRAIM HEAD MARRIED M 57 FARM LABOURER NEWPORT SHROPSHIRE
ROBINS, HARRIETT WIFE MARRIED F 59 FINCHLEY MIDDLESEX
ROBINS, FLORRIE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 25 DOMESTIC SERVANT PENTRIDGE STAFFORDSHIRE
RANSOM, CLARA GRAND DAUGHTER F 8 SCHOOL BRADLEY STAFFS
RANSOME, ALICE GRAND SON M 5 SCHOOL STAFFORD STAFFS
RANSOME, RONA GRACE GRAND DAUGHTER F 7 MONTHS CHURCH EATON STAFFS

Couldn't find a marriage for Harriet to a "Ransom" but found this birth, on 1891 states born Middlesex

Births Dec 1862 (>99%)
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RANSOM Harriet Martha Barnet 3a 114


Cass

In the 1901 census Harriet say's she was born Finchley Middlesex in 1857

in the 1891 she says she was born 1862 Whetstone, Middlesex
Whetstone is a place in north Finchley

Name: Harriet Martha Ransom
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Barnet
County: Greater London, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 114

Finchley is in registration district Barnet

Roy

looks like Charlottes christening


Charlotte Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
15 NOV 1883 Church Eaton, Stafford, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Mother: Harriet Ranson
Family

Birth
Name: Charlotte Ransom
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Cannock
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 470a

the birth cert should say if the child was illegitimate

Roy

With Ephraim mother and father living with them on the 1891 census and being born Cheswardine they are obviously not Spanish so i would look at Harriette as being the possible link to Spain, not on the 1891 census their is a child (Charlotte Ransom age 7 Relation: Stepdaughter this could mean that either Harriette was married before or had the child out of wedlock.

Roy

Marriages Jun 1885 (>99%)
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Robbins Ephraim Cannock 6b 647
Ransom Harriett Martha Cannock 6b 647

CASS

thats fab thanks so much, how do I go about finding out if there is a spanish link?

1891 census (looks like her father was born Shropshire):-

Name: Ephraim Robins
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet
Father's Name: Wm
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheswardine, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Church Eaton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Editha
Town: Church Eaton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Registration district: Cannock
Sub registration district: Brewood
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Ephraim Robins 34
Harriet Robins 29
Charlotte Ransom 7
Mary F Robins 5
Wm Robins 61
Martha Robins 60

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2217; Folio 99; Page 3; GSU roll: 6097327.

Kath. x

1891

Name: Ephraim Robins
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet
Father's Name: Wm
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheswardine, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Church Eaton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Editha
Town: Church Eaton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Cannock
Sub registration district: Brewood
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ephraim Robins 34
Harriet Robins 29
Charlotte Ransom 7 Relation: Stepdaughter
Mary F Robins 5
Wm Robins 61 Relation: Father
Martha Robins 60 Relation: Mother

Roy

1891

Name: Mary F Robins
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Ephraim
Mother's Name: Harriet
Gender: Female
Where born: Penkridge, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Church Eaton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Editha
Town: Church Eaton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:>>>>>>>>>>>>Church Eaton Green
Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Cannock
Sub registration district: Brewood
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ephraim Robins 34 >>>>>>>>>>>>HEAD AG LAB BORN Cheswardine, Shropshire
Harriet Robins 29 >>>>>>>>>>>>>WIFE BORN Whetstone, Middlesex
Charlotte Ransom 7 >>>>>>>>>>>STEP DAU BORN Church Eaton Green, Staffordshire,
Mary F Robins 5
Wm Robins 61 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FATHER AG LAB BORN Cheswardine, Shropshire
Martha Robins 60 >>>>>>>>>>>>>MOTHER BORN Cheswardine, Shropshire


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Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2217; Folio 99; Page 3; GSU roll: 6097327.


Cass

This looks like it could be her birth (in England):-

Name: Mary Florence Robins
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Cannock
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 186

Cannock registration district covers Church Eaton.

Kath. x

1901 census

Name: Ephriam Robins
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriette
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheswardine, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Church Eaton
Ecclesiastical parish: Church Eaton St Editha
Town: Eaton Green
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Cannock
Sub registration district: Brewood
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Household Members: Name Age
Ephriam Robins 43
Harriette Robins 43

Roy