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Hi Andrew,

Yes I had also seen that record from IGI. As it was not an extracted entry I have not taken it for granted that it is correct.


Hi Victoria,

You and I obviously think along the same lines. I had found the probable siblings for Alexander and the marriage for their parents, it's just confirming who Elizabeth Martins mother was that I am struggling with.

Hi Margaret,

The tree owner on Ancestry does not know who Elizabeths mother was. Having read the census entry relating to Joseph Sale listed as father in law thought there may have been a marriage between Alexander and Josephs daughter so a possible mother for Elizabeth.

As to James Hampton, nephew to Alex, I think I will have to search for a marriage for a Hampton to one of Alex's sisters.

Thank you to all who are trying to sort this for me.

Chris

Kidderminter marriages
IGI M043951
William Martin married Cornelia Perrins 1835, this ties in with the Benjamin Perrins in the 1851 census for Alex??

if from Alex sibling birth records assume mother Sarah's maide name was Monks
then get this marriage

JOHN MARTEN Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
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Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH MONKS Family
Marriage: 30 MAY 1802 Saint Michael Bedwardine, Worcester, Worcester, England



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Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.


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M020141

probable siblings of Alexander IGI ref C043951

. MARY ANN MONKS MARTIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 AUG 1808 Kidderminster, Worcester, England

2. HARRIOTT MARTIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 JUL 1803 Kidderminster, Worcester, England

3. GEORGE MARTIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 MAR 1817 Kidderminster, Worcester, England

4. ELIZABETH MARTIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 DEC 1814 Kidderminster, Worcester, England

5. HENRY MARTIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 MAY 1807 Kidderminster, Worcester, England

6. WILLM. MONK MARTIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 01 NOV 1811 Kidderminster, Worcester, England

7. JOHN MARTIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 29 AUG 1804 Kidderminster, Worcester, England

8. ALLEXANDER MARTIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 OCT 1819 Kidderminster, Worcester, England

FreeBMD has a marriage of Thomas Oliver and Elizabeth Martin, Jun. Q 1862, Dudley. (6c 87)

I just tried it and it works for me when I cut & paste in into my browser but that's maybe because I put it there and it already had my password.

didnt work for me Margaret, but it told me I'm a member and don't know my password (confused)

This from IGI

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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Elizabeth Martin Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth: 26 DEC 1841 Kidderminster, Worcester, England

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Death: 19 DEC 1909

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Parents:
Father: Alexander Martin Family
Mother: Elizabeth Edwards


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Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

Andy

Hi everyone,

I have to log off now but just wanted to thank you all for trying to help me.

Chris

I don't know if this link will work to see the photo. We'll try. It's such a lovely old photo.

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/ViewPhoto.aspx?tid=5110761&pid=-1488486012&oid=51b4c252-6b62-4ace-be2e-995b55e707d8&pg=0&idx=2

Hi Margaret,

Thank you for that, I will have to find a way of taking a look. That may well have the answer.

Chris

There's a tree on Ancestry with Alexander Martin born 1821, Kidderminster, married to Unknown Sale. Their daughter Elizabeth, born 1841 Kidderminster married Thomas Oliver and died 1909, Cleveland, Cuyahoga, Ohio, U.S.A. There's even a photo of her.

Hi Victoria,

Thank you for your help. I will have to check the death record that I have but I think it relates to the death you have found.

Chris

I can't find a marriage for Alex and Elizabeth or death for elz Martin however there is a death for Eliz Edwards
Name: Elizabeth Edwards
Year of Registration: 1841
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Kidderminster
County: Hereford and Worcester, Shropshire, Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 18
Page: 295
This fits with the birth of Eliz MArtin who was Ch. 26 Dec 1841

I think that the 1851 census of Ann Ewards is probaly wrong and should be mother in law/grandmother

Alex marrage to Mary Pirks is 1851
Alexander Martin
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Kidderminster
County: Hereford and Worcester, Shropshire, Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 18
Page: 472

Hi Margaret,

Thank you for trying to help. I had wondered if Joseph Sale was the father of Alexanders wife Mary Pirks (I thought she may have perhaps been married before) but couldn't find a marriage for Pirks/Sale

Chris

No deaths for an Elizabeth Martin in Kidderminster and only 2 for Worcestershire between Dec 1841 and Dec 1843 (Tewkesbury and Stratford)

I don't think that's right, Victoria.
According to the 1851 census Alexander is head and Ann Edwards is his mother. (All relationships are as related to the head.) I think she must have remarried.
Joseph Sale is Alexander's father-in-law so Alexander must have married a Sale.
Then there's the added problem of James Hampton being a nephew.
How does he fit in?

Hi Andrew,

Thank you for that, no wonder I couldn't find him how on earth did you?

Hi Victoria,

That's what I was thinking but couldn't find the marriage so presumed it didn't happen as I'd thought Elizabeth would have been 15/16 when young Elizabeth was born. Perhaps I need to find a death for an Elizabeth Martin. Alexanders wife Sarah was already pregnant with William when she and Alex married in 1843 so he didn't hang about did he.

Chris

this is what I've worked out so far

Alexander married Elizabeth Edwards (her mother presumabley was Ann)
Alex & Eliz had a daughter Elizabeth b.1841
Eliz Martin nee Edwards must have died 1841-1843
Alex then married Sarah Burige 1843
their son was William b. 1844

Alexander from 1841?

Have a look at the actual census image. Above Alexander are Joseph Edwards 55 and Ann Edawrds 50. Any connection to your Joseph and Ann (his future in laws)??

1841 England Census
about Alexander Mattin
Name: Alexander Mattin
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Kidderminster
Hundred: Kidderminster
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Kidderminster
Sub registration district: Kidderminster
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Mattin 20
John Davies 30
Benjn Guest 30
Ann Guest 20
Ann Burtonwood 25
Isaiah Burtonwood 1


Andy