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25 Jan 2009 20:37 |
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Hmm, its a rough hypothesis but I wonder if Denis's father or grandfather was based in England and called Catton and while going to Asia (India or Hong Kong) met a bride and she came and settled in England. Part of the reason I feel that one of Denis's relatives is Asian (Indian or Chinese) is he had naturally olive/swarthy skin, very, very dark hair, and this has passed down the family somewhat.
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25 Jan 2009 20:29 |
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Thanks, do you think its possible that Edward Catton arrived in Liverpool in 1932 as an immigrant with Denis as a child and with his wife? Or do you think that Denis's father was called Edward and worked on the ships as Denis later would?
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25 Jan 2009 20:22 |
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This is the only extracted record for a Catton In India on igi:
Mary Catton Pedigree Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 19 JUN 1839 , Tamil Nadu, India Death: Burial: Parents: Father: Catton Family Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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25 Jan 2009 20:19 |
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This could be connected as well:
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Edward Catton Name: Edward Catton Birth Date: abt 1895 Age: 37 Port of Departure: Bombay, India Arrival Date: 3 May 1932 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ports of Voyage: Port Said, Marseilles, Gibraltar Ship Name: Tuscania Search Ship Database: View the 'Tuscania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Anchor Official Number: 146307 View original i
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25 Jan 2009 20:10 |
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WOW! You guys are experts! Thank you so much. He did indeed work in the Merchant Navy (or similar) and did go to India. I will tell you all the facts that I know so far. The DOB according to death certificate was 22.4.26, he was a taurus, so maybe the year of birth is wrong? He was an only child, his mother and father were married (not sure if they married before or after his birth though). They lived in Ellesmere Port for many years but I dont know if they originated there. Denis married my grandmother Alma (nee Richardson) in 1944. She was born in 1925. She had moved to Elllesmere Port where her mother Miriam was from during the war. I assume she met Denis in Ellesmere Port and they got married at short notice as he had to leave on a ship. Alma said she got pregnant on her wedding day (is it true or is it quaint old fashioned pretence), Denis had left and she did not see him for over a year. She gave birth to a baby girl, Maxine, in 1945 and sadly the baby died around 6 months or so. Denis never saw the baby.
He said he was on the last British ship to mutiny after the owners of the ship would not return to England to dock. After the mutiny he returned to Ellesmere Port, he and Alma were re-united and they had a baby girl in c. August 1947 called Denise. They had many more children and continued to live in Ellesmere Port. I dont know if the mutiny story is true or not. I suppose he may have lied about his DOB to be allowed to fight during the war, or to get onto the ships he worked on, or to be able to get married, maybe he changed the year of birth?? He did get divorced from my grandmother in the late 70's and may have remarried the person named Mellor, I am not sure, but if he did he was divorced again not long after. I dont have any info on his parents names or their birthplaces. I am very interested to know info on his parents because I think that one of them, or their parents may have been an immigrant from asia. I may be totally wrong but its all fascinating anyway.
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25 Jan 2009 18:29 |
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Might be worth to check these out
Denis Catton Birth Date: abt 1925 Age: 23 Port of Departure: Port Said, Egypt Arrival Date: 7 Nov 1948 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ports of Voyage: Port Said, Tobruk, Malta and Gibraltar Ship Name: Empire Halladale Search Ship Database: View the 'Empire Halladale' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Anchor Line Official Number: 180914 _______________________________
Denis Catton Birth Date: abt 1925 Age: 21 Port of Departure: Bombay, India Arrival Date: 3 Sep 1946 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ports of Voyage: Bombay and Port Said Ship Name: Samaria Search Ship Database: View the 'Samaria' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Cunard White Star Official Number: 145923 _____________________________
When did he marry
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25 Jan 2009 18:27 |
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UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Denis Catton Name: Denis Catton Birth Date: abt 1925 Age: 21 Port of Departure: Bombay, India Arrival Date: 3 Sep 1946 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ports of Voyage: Bombay and Port Said Ship Name: Samaria Search Ship Database: View the 'Samaria' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Cunard White Star Official Number: 145923
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25 Jan 2009 18:26 |
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Is this one of yours?
England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1984-2005 about Denis Catton Name: Denis Catton Spouse Surname: Mellor Date of Registration: Sep 1984 Registration district: Chester and Ellesmere Port Registration county (inferred): Cheshire Volume Number: 35 Page Number: 266 Find Spouse: Find Spouse
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25 Jan 2009 18:20 |
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England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005 about Denis Catton Name: Denis Catton Birth Date: 22 Apr 1926 Death Registration Month/Year: Aug 2000 Age at death (estimated): 74 Registration district: Liverpool Inferred County: Lancashire Register number: I18D District and Subdistrict: 0251I Entry Number: 21
Sorry Eric - snap!
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25 Jan 2009 18:19 |
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Name: Denis Catton Birth Date: 22 Apr 1926 Death Registration Month/Year: Aug 2000 Age at death (estimated): 74 Registration district: Liverpool Inferred County: Lancashire Register number: I18D District and Subdistrict: 0251I Entry Number: 21
Remember that the DOB on a death cert is only 'as known' to the informant...................
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25 Jan 2009 18:13 |
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Born 1926 would mean he was only 17/18 when he married.........................
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25 Jan 2009 17:44 |
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Do you have any idea what his mother's name was? When exactly was he born? 1926 is fully transcribed on freebmd and I can't find anything in qtr 2 that looks remotely like. Could you have his yob wrong? Do you have his parents marriage or names?
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25 Jan 2009 14:29 |
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Thank you very much for the replies. Denis Albert Cotton looks tantalisingly possible but he definetely died in Liverpool district, and was a taurus not an aries (he had a life long interest in astrology). He was also proud of the surname Catton, so I dont know if it was Cotton and then changed or not, I hadnt considered it before. Thanks again :)
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24 Jan 2009 23:23 |
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How about the following:
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Denis A Cotton Name: Denis A Cotton Year of Registration: 1926 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun Mother's Maiden Name: Mills District: Warrington County: Cheshire, Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 301
England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005 about Denis Albert Cotton Name: Denis Albert Cotton Birth Date: 4 Apr 1926 Death Registration Month/Year: Dec 2003 Age at death (estimated): 77 Registration district: Chester and Ellesmere Port Inferred County: Cheshire Register number: B50 District and Subdistrict: 340/1B Entry Number: 165
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24 Jan 2009 22:26 |
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If you want the marriage certificate you can order it via this site - just follow the instructions
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi
Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1944 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference CATTON Denis RICHARDSON Alma Rose West Cheshire Civil Marriage Cheshire West WC/7/50
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24 Jan 2009 20:59 |
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You could try looking for his Marriage cert. This will tell you his Fathers name and occupation.
It might also give you his age....this is sometimes different to what you thought!
Did he have a second name?
Have you looked on Scotlands people for the birth?
Maybe his birth was registered under his Mothers maiden name? (this is where it's a good idea to buy his Marriage cert)
Whats his DOB? Remember that parents have 6 weeks to register a birth? If he was born Dec 1926 his birt wouldnt be reg untill Jan/Feb/Mar 1927.
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24 Jan 2009 20:47 |
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Desperate for info on my deceased grandfather's parents. I have his DOB but cannot find his birth certificate. I dont know the district of his birth but he later lived in Ellesmere Port, Cheshire for many years. He was married to Alma. He was an only child.
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