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Hi,
Yes, of course! I didn't realise it was a Death Index. It looks as though you are, indeed, right! I wonder what happened to Helen/Ellen. Presumably, the grandchildren spoken about (Bruce and George) would have been Ellen's (unless Lily had more children with James!) And it would make sense that Ellen could be "Ellie" not Essie. Unless she had an Esther later. Her descendants are out there somewhere! Thankyou so much for helping.
Love julia

Julia

It looks quite possible that the first death on the list that Teresa has found for you - if the date of birth matches of course - is your Lily. Wife of James Day not sister though!

What I was suggesting about the name Helen/Ellen was this.......the name Ellen said in a broad Lancs accent to a US immigration clerk could very easily be mistaken for Helen.

Mary

these are Lilys born in 1890 appearing on the ssdi for RI

LILY DAY 14 Feb 1890 Nov 1978 02864 (Cumberland, Providence, RI) 02861 (Pawtucket, Providence, RI) 036-01-4275 Rhode Island

LILY EATOCK 18 Oct 1890 Mar 1971 02874 (Saunderstown, Washington, RI) (none specified) 038-07-0070 Rhode Island

LILY AMES 29 Jun 1890 Feb 1980 02167 (Chestnut Hill, Middlesex, MA) (none specified) 038-30-1814 Rhode Island


Teresa

As you suggest, it may be a good idea to order the marriage certificate to confirm the Lily Poole/Compton marriage for sure. Although it looks pretty 'safe'. What my sister remembers is that my mum's "cousin Essie" used to send beautiful clothes over for her. The problem is that, with no-one left to ask, memories can get confused over time. Maybe Helen's nickname was "Ellie". Difficult to know. Yes, we need someone based in America who has access to relevant records.
So near and yet so far!
Kind Regards,
Julia

Julia

As you seem certain that Lily had at least one other daugher called Esther then perhaps she married James Day in the US? This would make sense of "Esther senior visiting her son in law James Day" at least.

If Jane Day is James's sister then Joseph Moxham would be Jane's brother in law by marriage......I think :-)

Mary

Okay, so we are on the right track then lol

Here is the marriage ref: if you want to get it to confirm that it is the correct Lily:

Lily Poole to Thomas Crompton 1910 Q1 Bolton ref. 8c 631

There are a couple of Thomas Crompton deaths in 1912 which might explain why I can't find any more children and why no husband with Lily and daughter Helen arriving in US?

I wonder too if Helen should in fact be Ellen? I can't find any births for Helen Crompton but I can find some for Ellen......the following one being the most likely:

Ellen Crompton 1910 Q2 Bolton ref. 8c 427

Mary

Joseph Moxham could not have been visiting his sister as he had no sister called Jane. So, what relation was Jane to James Day? Esther Poole only had Lily out there who must have been Compton. Had Lily remarried or was she "living with" this James Day? Was Jane James's sister, or mother? If she was his wife, that's a real puzzle if James Day is Esther's son-in-law! He could only be her son-in-law if married to Lily Compton nee Poole. Now I'm getting myself confused again. Please can you help to unravel this mystery?
Kindest Regards,
Julia

OK, Julia, we're back on the rails now. Curious though that Lily Crompton just had daughter Helen with her. Also the fact that she described Esther Poole as friend and not mother.
We really need someone with access to American records.
Where's our good friend "Lisa from California"?

Hi there! It's me being an idiot! It was Lily Poole's niece, Leah, who married William Hull!! You were right. I apologise for being confusing...and confused! There are so many Esthers in the family and several Ernests. No excuse. I just got confused. It HAD to be the same Lily Compton. However, it is still correct that she had a daughter, Esther. I'm not sure of the others, nor of how many there were. And she still had grandchildren called Bruce and George. I remember my mum saying that she had stayed in Rhode Island so that tallies, too. You were on the right track and I unwittingly nearly derailed you!
Many, many thanks,
Julia
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Hmmmm........not finding any William Hull marrying a Lily Poole nor Crompton in the Freebmd :-(

Mary

Uh oh!

Hi,
I have just spoken with my sister and asked her if she knew the name of the man Lily married. I had a few possibles from the threads you kind folks had provided and there was a certain William Hull whose name came up. My sister remembered it was "Hull" and he was a coalman. So, now we know that Lily Poole became Lily Hull. We know one of her children was called Esther (a strong family name). My sister remembers two grandchildren of hers were called Bruce and George(ie)..male. We're getting there! Thankyou so much everyone who is helping. It's much appreciated,
Julia

Aha! Looks like you got it, Mary.
A Lily Crompton, 31, arrived at Ellis Island 10 April 1920 with daughter Helen, 10. She lists friend, Mrs Poole, 189 High Audley St., Blackburn, England. She's heading for Pawtuckett, Rhode Island. She's going to join her sister, Mrs. Hutton, 5 Carpenter St., Pawtuckett. Something else is written there but can't make it out, could it be wife of her stepson?
Hopefully someone with access to American censuses can look them up?

As you said she *upped and left with her children* I searched for a likely marriage for her and found these 2:

Lily Poole/Thomas Crompton 1910 Bolton
Lily Poole/Jack Mathews 1916 Wigan and Leigh

Of course there may be others not transcribed yet :-(

Mary

Just realized you said "she upped and left with her children". So she was married and wouldn't have travelled under the name Poole?

Looks like your mother went twice to America, once when she was 3 and again when she was 5. The second time sailing to Boston so not on the Ellis Island site.

Ellis Island has the arrival of your mother and her family when they went to visit, arriving Dec. 9, 1924.
Joseph Moxham, 35
Ellen, 29
Esther. 3
Esther Poole, 66

Going to visit Joseph's sister Mrs. Jane Day, Crowell St., Valleyfalls, Rhode Island.
It also says Esther is going to visit son-in-law James Day.
(Doesn't make sense if she's Joseph's sister, how could she be Esther's daughter?)
All born Blackburn except Esther Poole born Manchester.

Could this be her record of arrival on Ellis Island?

First Name: Lilian
Last Name: Poole
Ethnicity: English
Last Place of Residence: London
Date of Arrival: Sep 30, 1904
Age at Arrival: 14 Gender: F Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Baltic
Port of Departure: Liverpool
Manifest Line Number: 0010

EDIT, apparently this is not her, she appeared to arrive with a family of Pooles. There is a descrepancy between FMP and Ellis Island, FMP says departed on the Majestic on 28th Sept 1904, Ellis Island on 21 Sept 1904 on the Baltic!!

Hi Snapdragon,
Many thanks for the info. It is kind of you to take the trouble to help me.
Kind Regards,
Julia

1901 census
Address 8 Addington St
Civil Parish St Thomas
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet Blackburn
Ecclesiastical Parish St Thomas
Parliamentary Borough or Division Blackburn
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Blackburn
Administrative County Blackburn
Householder 1
Name Ellen Poole
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 5
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Juvenile
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Blackburn
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Esther Poole
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 13
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Cotton Winder
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Blackburn
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Esther Poole
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 42
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Cotton Winder
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Newton Le Willows
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Lily Poole
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 11
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Juvenile
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Blackburn
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Thomas Poole
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 45
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Iron Moulder In Foundry
Employment Status
Where Born Lancs Salford
Language
Infirmity