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Hello,

I'm having difficulty tracing the steps of John Reuben Betts born 28th May 1864 in the Kensington District (London/Middlesex) to William Betts and Sarah Apps.

I have his birth and baptism record...the only John Reuben Betts there is and I have a marriage record for him. It seems he married in the Plymouth District in Summer 1888 to either Sarah Frost or Amy Edith Gibbings.

I am unable to find any census or deaths records for him, so I'm hoping he travelled overseas with his new wife. If anyone could check it would be much appreciated.

Thank you, Karen

Hi Karen

Have a look on findmypast.com Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 index. Not sure if this is your ancestor?


BETTS Emily 1865 F 1912 London Australia Fremantle
BETTS John 1864 M 1912 London Australia Fremantle

bye Helen

Thank you, Helen

???
1891:
William H Sambell Sarah abt 1837 St Mellion, Cornwall, England Head St David, Devon

(William Henry Sambell & Sarah Frost?)


???
1891:
Alfred Sampson Clara abt 1866 Plymouth, Devon, England Head St Andrew, Devon

(3rd male partner on marriage index)


1871:
Amy Gibbings Mary A abt 1864 Tavistock, Devon, England Daughter Tavistock, Devon


Births Jun 1889
Betts William Gibbings Plymouth 5b 257

These are his siblings. Do you have earlier census records?

1. Harriett Martha Betts - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 18 OCT 1861 Rye, Sussex, England
2. John Reuben Betts - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 DEC 1864 Rye, Sussex, England
3. Caroline Mary Betts - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 DEC 1864 Rye, Sussex, England
4. Emma Florence Betts - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 DEC 1864 Rye, Sussex, England

This appears to be the family.


1861 England Census
about Caroline M Betts
Name: Caroline M Betts
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Heckington, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Paignton
Ecclesiastical parish: Exeter
Town: Paignton
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Totnes
Sub registration district: Paignton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
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Household schedule number: 72
Household Members:
Name Age
William Betts 37 b Brighton, Surrey, cashier ? railway?
Sarah Betts 34 b Ryde, Surrey
Sarah A Betts 15 b Hooe, surrey
Elizabeth P Betts 18 b Ryde
Emily Ann Betts 11 b Ryde
Charles Wm Betts 10 b Ryde
Edward Wm Betts 6 b Grays, Essex
Harriett M Betts 4 b West Tilbury, Essex
Caroline M Betts 2
Emma F Betts 9 Mo b Paignton, Devon

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1871 England Census
about Caroline Betts
Name: Caroline Betts
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Heckington, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Sampford Courtenay
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Okehampton
Sub registration district: North Tawton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members:
Name Age
William Betts 41head, married, cashier to railway contractor
Edward Betts 16 unemployed coach builder
Harriet Betts 14 domestic assistant
Caroline Betts 12
John Betts 6 b Paddington, London


Sarah visiting her parents.



1871 England Census
about Sarah Betts
Name: Sarah Betts
[Sarah Apps]
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Martha R
Gender: Female
Where born: Rye, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Rye
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Rye
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Rye
Sub registration district: Rye
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
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Household schedule number: 187
Household Members:
Name Age
William Apps 71
Martha R Apps 72
Sarah Betts 44
Harriet Denk 71

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Possible for john.


1881 England Census
about John Betts
Name: John Betts
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address: 64 Halloway St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Pattern Maker (E & M)

Registration district: Exeter
Sub registration district: Exeter Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Lowath 69
Elizabeth Baker 76
John Betts 16

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From the birth that ozibird found. He was a farmer, single, from Rochester, Alberta born Devonshire 21 May 1889. He was 5'9 1/2" and a blue eyed blonde.


Canadian Soldiers of World War I, 1914-1918
about William Gibbings Betts
Name: William Gibbings Betts
Birth Date: 21 May 1889
Birth Location: Devonshire, England
Relative: John R Betts
Regiment Number: 432952

This looks like the family.


1891 Census of Canada
about William Betts
Name: William Betts
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 2
Birth Year: abt 1889
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Son
Religion: Church of England
French Canadian: No
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Province: Manitoba
District Number: 7
District: Marquette
Subdistrict: Neepawa
Archive Roll #: T-6293
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Betts 27 b England
Amy Betts 27 b England
William Betts 2
Sarah Betts 7/12 b Manitoba
Arthur Gibbins 12 lodger, b England




1901 Census of Canada
about Wm G. Betts
Name: Wm G. Betts
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 11
Birth Date: 21 May 1889
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's Name: John R
Mother's Name: Amy E
Immigration Year: 1888
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Nationality: English
Religion: English
Province: Manitoba
District: MacDonald
District Number: 8
Sub-District: Rosedale
Sub-District Number: M-3
Family Number: 8
Page: 1
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Household Members:
Name Age
John R Betts 36 b May 28 1864, farmer
Amy E Betts 37 b Jan 31 1864
Wm G. Betts 11b May 21 1889
Sarah E Betts 10 b Oct 6 1890
Edward R Betts 8b April 21 1892
Albert H Betts 6 b July 7 1894
Mary C Betts 4 b April 19 1896
Joseph R??Ell 22 b Feb 22 england, farm labourer

Emigrated in 1889.



1906 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta
about William G. Betts
Name: William G. Betts
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 17
Birthplace: England
Family Number: 53
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's Name: John R
Mother's Name: Amy E
Province: Manitoba
Sub-District Description: Townships 13, 14 in Ranges 14, 15, 16 West
Sub-District: 16B
Page: 8
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Household Members:
Name Age
John R Betts 42
Amy E Betts 42
William G. Betts 17
Sarah Betts 15
Edward Betts 13
Albert Betts 12
Mary Betts 10
Charles Betts 4
Arthur Betts 2
Robert Knill 54




1911 Census of Canada
about Willie G Betts
Name: Willie G Betts
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 22
Birth Date: May 1889
Birthplace: England
Family Number: 21
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's Name: John R
Mother's Name: Amey E
Immigration Year: 1889
Tribal: English
Province: Manitoba
District: Portage la Prairie
District Number: 20
Sub-District Number: 11
Census Year: 1911
Page: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John R Betts 47
Amey E Betts 47
Willie G Betts 22
Sarah E Betts 21
Edward R Betts 19
Albert G Betts 17
Mary J Betts 15
Charles R Betts 9
Auther G Betts 7
John A Betts 2


Liz

Could this be them in Manitoba?

1906 Census Page Data
District: MB Portage la Prairie District (#6)
Subdistrict: 16 B (Townships 13, 14 in ranges 14, 15, 16 west) Page 7
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40 53 Betts John R. Head M M 42
1 53 Betts Amy E. Wife F M 42
2 53 Betts William G. Son M S 17
3 53 Betts Sarah Daughter F S 15
4 53 Betts Edward Son M S 13
5 53 Betts Albert Son M S 12
6 53 Betts Mary Daughter F S 10
7 53 Betts Charles Son M S 4
8 53 Betts Arthur Son M S 2

Teresa

Woohoo! Well done Alviegal & Teresa.

Ozi.

Looks like poor William never made it home, like so many thousands of others.

Name: BETTS, WILLIAM GIBBINGS
Initials: W G
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Canadian Infantry (Alberta Regiment)
Unit Text: "C" Coy. 49th Bn.
Age: 27
Date of Death: 02/06/1916
Service No: 432952
Additional information: Son of John R. and Amy E. Betts, of Rochester, Alberta.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 24 - 28 - 30.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL


Liz

You started us off Ozi, thank you. I hope Karen comes back on soon and lets us know if any of this is familiar to her.

OMG I was totally engrossed in someone else's tree!

Thank you so much everyone! This is all excellent and totally what I hoped to find and much more...

Brilliant! What more can I say...

Thank you, Karen

From 49th Battalion War Diaries

The 49th moved off from their rest area at 2pm 2/6/1916. There are some details of their action. They were relieved in line at 2:30am 5/6/1916 and arrived back at their divisional rest area by 7am. The nominal strength of a battalion was abt 1000 men, but I don't know how understrength they were at this time. The result of their action at Sanctuary Wood in the Ypres Salient was 45 OR killed, 257 OR wounded, 69 OR missing. Officer casualties were named with some details given - their figures were 6/8/0.

http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/e/e045/e001114981.jpg
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/e/e045/e001114982.jpg
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You can also read of the action in early June in Chapter 5 of Nicholson's Official History. (It's useful to know the 49th Bn was in the 7th Bde of the 3rd Div).
http://www.cefresearch.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2145
For the maps, see the old site:
http://www.cefresearch.com/matrix/Nicholson/

Thank you, mgnv

Karen,

Just in case it hasn't been answered elsewhere in the thread.

John Reuben BETTS married Amy Edith GIBBINGS on 8th August 1888 at Christ Church in Plymouth

Source; Devon FHS Plymouth Marriages Index Volume 1.

Unfortunately there are no other details in the index to provide occupation, father's name etc.
Pete