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only because
her father being henry
her age
being annie and not ann or anne
havent found a marriage to match,only the death
william comes into it as my m.i.l mentioned a william once and its the only one found that has the name william/henry
an aubrey in the family would have convinced me 110%
but i dont think we will get closer
unless i can find their school records in reading

still trying for anyone visiting the central library there
im told it holds some of them.

m.i.l said once that henry junior was reputed to be of scandanavian sailor stock on the unknown fathers side
if my memory of the conversation is correct
but you know family stories,he could just as well have been a passing traveller and the boys prob have different fathers anyway.
my son is pure celt looking so no scandanavian came out in him!

looks like ive talked myself into it being her.

I'm still kinda braindead from last week, and still have work to finish ... but it sure looks good, doesn't it?

so then, you found it miss beavie

whats the odds of it being the right annie noble then
evens or 50/1?
of course as wales 1911 rae not online yet i cant check there
but there are none in reading 1911 that can be her
but i did find edith paddock that married mr thorn.

Just marking this (I feel like one of my cats) since you mentioned the 1911 and I've found the ref to it here -- and I'll stick the old URL here too:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1099891

Astra ]
I am going on the 1911 census where the person who filled it out states that they had only two children born to them.
so they could well have lied and here the same people are in 1891

Name: Ellen Nolle
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark, London, England

Civil Parish: St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St George the Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Nolle 42
Ellen Nolle 38
John Nolle 17
Ellen Nolle 15
William Nolle 13
Margaret Nolle 12
Sarah Nolle 10
Annie Nolle 2


diff address but william is a fish porter here
more and more mysterious about the kids and the change of namefrom william to henry but ive only been able to find deaths for sarah and william [probs them anyway] between 1891 and 1901

nadolig llawen
vivienne

MERRY XMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY

You're welcome Vivienne
I have to keep coming and going today but this is the same family in 1881. They appear to have a few more children than you state but it has to be the same family because they were living at the right address in 1891. It's really confusing. Are you sure that they only had the two children?

William Noble
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwark, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Southwark St George Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 4 May Pole Alley
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Porter (Fish)

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Noble 32
Ellen Noble 28
John Noble 7
Ellen Noble 5
William Noble 3
Margaret Noble 2

thank you astra
will certainly go look as thats the nearest yet
and same address!
wish william and ellen were ten years older but you cant have everthing in life
and the girls are certainly the right ages
thank you again and merry christmas
vivienne

If you want to take a look here are the details:-

RG13; Piece: 363; Folio: 32;

William is classed as a general labourer and Margaret?? is (I think) a fish skin dresser?? Can't quite read the first word.

This is the Noble Family living at 23 Chapel Court in 1901. Henry is William and one of the daughters is called Margaret. Would that be Ellen?

Ellen Noble
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark, London, England

Civil Parish: Southwark St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St George the Martyr Southwark
County/Island: London
Country: England



Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members: Name Age
William Noble 42
Ellen Noble 40
Margaret Noble 20
Anna Noble 11

thank you also snowflake
merry christmas
vivienne

julie with urns
i saw that 81 william and did wonder but dont really think its them
thanks for trying
claire in wales
thank you also
will keep plugging away at it then
merry christmas
vivienne

1901 CENSUS

Address Lailey Lodge
Civil Parish Edmonton
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St Mary
Parliamentary Borough or Division Enfield
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Edmonton
Administrative County Middlesex
Householder 1
Name Ellen J Barrett
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 33
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London Clapton
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name James A Barrett
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 32
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Print Cutter
Employment Status
Where Born London Bethnal Green
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name James H Barrett
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 3
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Juvenile
Employment Status
Where Born Middlesex Edmonton
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Ellen Jane Noble
Relation to Head of Family Mother In Law
Condition as to Marriage Widow
Age Last Birthday 58
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London South Hackney
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Emma A Noble
Relation to Head of Family Sister In Law
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 25
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London Clapton
Language
Infirmity
Householder 6
Name Frank Noble
Relation to Head of Family Brother In Law
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 20
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Nurseryman
Employment Status
Where Born London Clapton
Language
Infirmity
POSSIBLE

Vivienne

Have looked in the 81,91 & 01

Nothing in the last 2 but there is a William Noble in the 81 with the same Occ as Henry whose wife is also called Ellen & a daughter called Ellen too....But the were 2 many children.

The thing is not knowing if he is Henry or Harry....& if she is Ellen, Helen or Nelly....Sorry

Julie

they all are only down as ,,london,,
vivienne

Where were they born?

On 1911 census i have this family
henry noble age 62 ,,fish porter
ellen noble age 58
married 36 yrs
daughters
ellen holland age 35 widow [she married 1900 to bernard holland in west ham]
no children as all 4 died
annie noble age 22[ no occ given]
these were the only two children born to henry and ellen
the whole family say they were born in london and were living at 23 chapel cort boro
county of london
sub district kent rd
parish southwark st george the martyr

I cant find any of them in 1901 or 1891
can anyone else please?
thank you and merry christmas to all
vivienne