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Tony OMG
How on earth did i miss this thread TOO busy doing other things thats what now:
1/ Do you have the marriage cert of William albert CHEES(E)MAN to C/Katherine gertrude SMITH.? ( i am assuming not )
"NO" as he did not marry her, we are assuming he done a runner when edwin was born.

2/ I noticed you have Edwin birth cert.( stating his parents names )and i can see this on S.A index's.....Do you also have Edwin' s marriage cert....as it should also state his fathers name.( hopefully )
"YES" 1890 in the district of Daly- bn, Feb 21 1890- name Edwin George Male- Surname of Father- William Albert heeseman- Surname and Maiden name of Mother- Catherine Gertrude Cheeseman , formally Smith - fathers' occupation - labourer of Snowtown - Sign,descript,res of informant C G Cheeseman Snowtown- when Reg. April 9th
entered at the district reg Off this 11th day of April 1890 - W B Fowler

3/ I can also see Katharine gertrude SMITH to Albert MASTERS 23rd Nov 1893 aged 35 ( single ) "YES" she did go on to marry into the masters family and was bought up by them retaining his surname of Cheeseman.

4/ There also appears to be only one child born to William albert Chees(e)man and Katharine.
Is it possible they never married and Edwin was their only child through a relationship.....or do you know if Edwin had siblings..?
this is true to our belief

5/ Do you have the death cert of Katharine gertrude MASTERS ( nee SMITH ) as it may/should list living and or deceased children.
No but may be able to get my hands on it hopefully (will PM you when i do )
6/ Kerri is away at the moment on hols so when she returns i will contact her with ref to this.

the rest i will look into and let you know the outcome

thank you ever so much Tony for doing so much checking and my apologies for not looking earlier

rgards
Wayne

Hi
Just before putting this thread into the slow burner for a while i would like to say that half of my thread was answered by the magic "Cherilyn' who found my GF sitting away in a digital folder in the defence force under miss spelt names and the like which if i had the professional knowledge that "Cherilyn" has then maybe, i say maybe i might have found him.
what i am really saying is that all the searcher's like Cherilyn on these threads are worth their weight in GOLD and all we can say is thank you there is no other way to say thank you, but by those thanking them they know that they have fulfilled your question to the best of their ability and i for one am a very excited person as the answers i got were none other than magic and the to people that i pass this info onto will help them fill a chapter that has been lingering for ages and i know for a fact that there will be tears of joy not too far away when i give them all the papers that i have acquired on my GF
So once again i say a big thank you to "Cherilyn"

Wayne

Hi Wayne.

A few questions.

Do you have the marriage cert of William albert CHEES(E)MAN to C/Katherine gertrude SMITH.? ( i am assuming not )

I carry mostly all Pioneer and federation S.A... BDM index's, N.S.W, Victoria, Q.L.D , W.A and some Tas.
I cannot find this marriage in Australia. ( CHEES(E)MAN - SMITH )

I noticed you have Edwin birth cert.( stating his parents names )and i can see this on S.A index's.....Do you also have Edwin' s marriage cert....as it should also state his fathers name.( hopefully )

I can also see Katharine gertrude SMITH to Albert MASTERS 23rd Nov 1893 aged 35 ( single )

There also appears to be only one child born to William albert Chees(e)man and Katharine.
Is it possible they never married and Edwin was their only child through a relationship.....or do you know if Edwin had siblings..?

Do you have the death cert of Katharine gertrude MASTERS ( nee SMITH ) as it may/should list living and or deceased children.

The William "albert "CHEESMAN that i found b.1868 ( Port Adelaide )....there is no marriage found for him either, that i can find, and no death from 1868 to 1915 ( I can only search S.A Deaths up to 1915 on Index ).... Kerri on "Records Office" has deaths for S.A up to 1972 so may be of some help.
There is no death in Victoria 1890 to 1985 for a William albert CHEES(e)MAN

There is however a William CHEESMAN marriage to a Adelaide ada DAULBY 22nd May 1893 aged 25 ( born c.1868 ) with father listed as Thomas CHEESMAN.

Blanket search *Australia* for William or William Albert CHEES(e)MAN....... births

Victoria:

CHEESMAN...William
Birth: 1860 Melbourne, Vic.
Fath: Charles
Moth: EKINS Mary Elizabeth
Reg: 12287

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N.S.W
3110/1857 CHEESMAN WILLIAM Fath: HENRY Moth: CATHERINE District: GLEBE
V1843482 134/1843 CHEESMAN WILLIAM Fath: WILLIAM Moth: MARY

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Tasmania:
CHEESMAN, WILLIAM
Gender: Male
Birth 1840 - LAUNCESTON, Tasmania
Marriage/Relationship:
Death:

FAMILY INFORMATION

Parents: 82760 CHEESMAN WILLIAM

W.A.......( Nothing)..for a William or Albert

Q.L.D....( Nothing )..for a Wiliam or Albert

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From the A.V.R.I ( Australian Vital Records Index).... similar.

CHEESMAN, Albert CB 343976 Birth
Sex: Male Father: William
Mother: Kenedy Eliza
Event Date: 26 Aug 1851
Reg Year: 1851
Reg State: Tasmania
Ref Number: 3263

CHEESMAN, William CC 344019 Christening
Sex: Male
Father: William
Mother: Eliza U
Event Date: 22 Jun 1840
Reg Year: 1840
Reg State: Tasmania
Ref Number: 1093

CHEESMAN, William EB 344020 Christening
Father: William
Mother: Mary
Reg Year: 1843
Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: V1843482 134
Parish: Sydney, St Mary's, Roman Catholic

CHEESMAN, William CB 344021 Birth
Father: Henry
Mother: Catherine
Reg Year: 1857
Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: 3110

CHEESMAN, William CB 344022 Birth
Father: Charles
Mother: Ekins Mary Elizabeth
Event Place: Melb
Reg Year: 1860
Reg State: Victoria
Ref Number: 12287

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Immigration links that may help:

Port Phillip: 1839 -1851
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=3

Victoria:1852 to 1900
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23

South Australia: 1803 to 1850+
http://www.familyhistorysa.info/shipping/passengerlists.html

New South Wales:
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/indexes_online_3357.asp#ImmigrationampShippi

Cheers.Tony ( Victoria )

I notice Cherilyn on the records board does OZ look ups. It'sworth a try!

n

Julie happy new year to you and all that read this thread.
thank you for the input - this puts william albert at 22yrs which could be possible thus then when edwin was born he done a runner and changed the name and assumed the surname with the middle "e" dropped as was with most surnames around that era I say that because on my mums side that did happen and when they went to bury that person their name was minus 2 letters because that was the proper surname .

so,s the next question is how does one now track to find this out????

wayne

Nudging for Begaar. Looks interesting!

Just a thought...

You said that Edwin's birth certificate.." states that his father was a William Albert Cheeseman labourer of Snowtown SA,

Wouldn't this just mean that William worked at Snowtown, not that he was born there ?
So the William Albert that Tony found could be the correct person

n

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Hi Tony
Thank you for the reply.
Yes i was aware that misspelling occured because that was the way, if it sounded that way it would be written like that.

yes i have checked that one out but it has no link what so ever I have even checked all the Chees(e)man's in Port Pirie SA all to no avail but I'm not giving up something will eventuate i'm sure(I'm a positive thinker).

Kind Regards
Wayne

Hi Wayne. Dont know if you have varied the spelling of the Surname?, as Australian BDM index's are well known for spelling errors and/or dropping letters.

S.A births shows a William albert CHEESMAN ( no E after the S ) born 1868 in Port Adelaide.......Pt. Adelaide only being approx 110kms south of Snowtown......110 kms being nothing compared to the size of Australia.

Surname: CHEESMAN
Given Names: William Albert
Date: 1868-08-13
Sex: M
Father: Thomas CHEESMAN
Mother: Eliza SCANLAN
Birth Place/Residence: Port Adelaide
District Code: Ade
Symbol:
Book: 66
Page: 63
Cross Reference:


Tony ( Victoria )

n

Hi, saw this on Susan's thread and am willing to nudge.

Just wondered if you have browsed through the boards for those who offer Australian look ups OR whether you edit your heading to read something like 'Australian look up needed' ???? Might be worth a try! It would catch the eye of those who have the relevent records.
Happy hunting.

!n!

I am a living Cheeseman and have some of my family's history but the one that started this off has just gone "poof" into cyberspace vanished : we start at my dad Lloyd William dob 10/10/1913 - dec 8/10/56 his dad Edwin George dob 27/2/1890 @ Snowtown Sth Aust now this is where it all falls to pieces his b.c. states that his father was a William Albert Cheeseman labourer of Snowtown SA, well i have just about scrubed Snowtown off the map so to speak as i have turned just about every stone there is to turn absolutely nothing.
Edwins' mother((k)Catherine Gertrude Smith) i have traced and found that she married a Masters and am in contact with them still today.
Edwin also went to war and has been buried with defence honors but there is nothing in the defence dept that lists him as a return soldier it is like a recorded message "no one by that name or variant listed here" , i even found a very dedicated person within defence who tried to look and pull a few strings but a big fat nothing. so i am at the plee stage of help!!!!
Wayne