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Trying to find birth records for Kneen family in C

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alviegal

alviegal Report 20 Dec 2008 20:53

Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1924
about Eva Gertrude Harnan
Name: Eva Gertrude Harnan
Birth Place: Ottawa
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Father Name: Michael Harnan
Mother Name: Ellen Veley (looks like Ellen but the surname is very faint)
Spouse Name: W S Coolin
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Spouse Birth Place: Montreal Que
Spouse Father Name: Edwin George Coolin
Spouse Mother Name: Gertrude Ann Kuzzer Coolin (looks like Ruzzee not Kuzzer)
Marriage Date: 28 Dec 1920
Marriage Place: Carleton
Marriage County: Carleton
Family History Library Microfilm: MS932_536


William Southwall Coolin was an asst paymaster. Eva Gertrude Kearnan was a bookeeper. She was RC and he was Methodist. There is also a stamp stating they divorced 23/4/56. The bride's father was born Halifax, NS and I'm pretty sure the surname is Kearnan not Harnan.

Liz

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 19 Dec 2008 21:57

No Bunnykins, I don't have any of these people in my tree, I just like doing look-ups. I live in Canada so whenever I see Canada in the title I start looking.
Margaret

alviegal

alviegal Report 19 Dec 2008 21:26

Not sure which Joseph died here.


Quebec Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967
about Kneen
Name: Kneen
Event Year: 1917
Event: Enterrement (Burial)
Religion: Methodist
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Methodist Sherbrooke Street)
Province: Québec (Quebec)


He died Dec 2nd 1917 and was buried on the 4th. Witnesses were J A Kneen and W S? Coolin.

alviegal

alviegal Report 19 Dec 2008 21:21


Quebec Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967
about Kneen
Name: Kneen
Spouse: Coolin
Event Year: 1897
Event: Mariage (Marriage)
Religion: Methodist
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Methodist Sherbrooke Street)
Province: Québec (Quebec)


Edwin George Coolin, bookkeeper, son of James Coolin and Martha Rozee and Gertrude Anne on the 9th Nov 1897.

alviegal

alviegal Report 19 Dec 2008 21:15

Here's Mona's marriage.


Quebec Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967
about Kneen
Name: Kneen
Spouse: Stuart
Event Year: 1912
Event: Mariage (Marriage)
Religion: Methodist
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Methodist Sherbrooke Street)
Province: Québec (Quebec)


Basically she married Reid Stuart , salesman from Montreal, son of James Stuart and Alice Knight on 18th September 1912. Names of witnesses are unreadable.

Liz

alviegal

alviegal Report 19 Dec 2008 20:38

Here is the birth for Mona.


Quebec Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967
about Mona Daisy Kneen
Name: Mona Daisy Kneen
Event Year: 1890
Event: Naissance (Birth)
Religion: Methodist
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Methodist Sherbrooke Street)
Province: Québec (Quebec)


It reads.... Mona Daisy, daughter of Joseph Kneen of Montreal, Carpenter and of Emily Crallin his wife, was born on the twenty second day of October AD, one thousand eight hundred and ninety and was baptized by me this twenty first day of January AD one thousand eight hundred and ninety one. In presence of the following witnesses, Gertrude Kneen and Emily Kneen. signed J C Williams, Minister.


Liz

Bunnykins

Bunnykins Report 19 Dec 2008 19:33

Many thanks Margaret for the information you have supplied.

Does that mean that you have the same family members in your tree. Please let me know.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 18 Dec 2008 23:22

James COOLEN, son of William (COOLEN) COOLIN and Rebecca , was born August 11,1849 in Nova Scotia. He married Martha Ellen ROZEE November 14, 1872 in Halifax, NS. He died February 20, 1928 in Halifax, NS. Martha Ellen ROZEE, daughter of James ROZEE and Sarah , was born February 21, 1852 in England. She died November 23, 1951 in Halifax, NS.


Children of James COOLEN and Martha Ellen ROZEE are:
1. Edwin George (Nedder) COOLEN, b. 1879 See Edwin George (Nedder) COOLEN & Gertrude A. KNEEN OR Edwin George (Nedder) COOLEN & Emma Hattie Robar

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Notes for James COOLEN:

1891 Census Halifax City, Halifax County, N.S. Ward #6 -A Page #35

Coolen:
James age 43 Born N.S. Church of England Auctioneer
Martha age 39 Born England Church of England
Edwin age 16 Born N.S.

James P. Baranaby Look Up April 17, 2000

Sources for James COOLEN:

1901 Census - Halifax,
Halifax Hearld - Obit - James Coolen,

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Notes for Martha Ellen ROZEE:

1. According to 1901 census she emigrated to Canada in 1870 from England

2. The following was discivered by James P. Barnaby in the Public Archives of Nova Scotia as he was searching various Coolen connections as a very great kindness to me - May, 2000. Thank you very much, James.


" Spitalfield Silk and Nova Scotia Sweets " THE ROZEE STORY 1688 - 1988 By: J. Furber Marshall P.A.N.S. Library Call number CS-90 R.893 - 1991 References to Coolin Family: Page #20 #7-

Martha Ellen Rozee born Feb.21st, 1852 in East London, Middlesex Co. United Kingdom Died: Nov. 23rd, 1951 in Halifax, Halifax Co. N.S. buried in Halifax, Halifax Co. N.S. She married James Coolin son of William Coolin and Rebecca. Nov. 14th, 1872 in Halifax, Halifax Co. N.S. James Coolin was born 1849 in Portuguese Cove, Halifax Co.N.S. Died: Feb. 20th, 1928. Buried in Halifax, Halifax County, N.S.

His marriage certificate lists him as a " mechanic" but he was best known as an auctioneer. The family lived at 93 Coburg Road opposite the gates of Dalhousie Universtiy for many years.

CHILDREN: (1)......Edwin George (Nedder) Coolin Page : #37 #16.....Edwin George (Nedder ) Coolin Born 1879...Died Aug. 20th, 1956 in Yarmouth, Yarmouth Co. N.S. Buried in Halifax, Halifax Co. N.S. He married: 1st: Gertrude A. Kneen a daughter of Joseph Kneen and Emily Cretlin, circa 1877 in Liverpool, Merseyside County, United Kingdom...she died March 4th, 1946 in Lower Sackville, Halifax Co. N.S. Buried in Halifax, Halifax Co. N.S

Children of Edwin Geroge Coolin and Gertrude A. Kneen

(1) Michael William Southwood Coolin. He married Eva Hearnon. Bill worked for Ontario Pulp and Power and was living in Thorold, Ontario at the time of his father's funeral in 1956. Eva and Bill had 2 or 3 children.

Obituary for Gertrude A. (Kneen)Coolin.

The Halifax Mail.. P.A.N.S. Reel #7336 March 15th, 1946 Page #6 Mrs. Gertrude A. Coolin.

.Mrs. Gertrude A. Coolin, wife of Captain E.G. Coolin, Lower Sackville Halifax Co. N.S. died at her home yesterday, after a lengthy illness. She was in her 70th year. Born in Liverpool, she was the daughter of the late
Joseph and Emilly Kneen. Her passing will be learned and deep regretted by a wide circle of friends in the community. Besides, her husband, Mrs. Coolin is survived by one son Major William S. Coolin of Thorold, Ontario, two brothers George of South Africia and Joseph of Montreal. Funeral services , will be held at Cruickshanks Funeral Home, Robie Street at 2:00 pm on Saturday conducted by Rev. H.S. Blanchard. Interment in Camp Hill Cemetery.

Page #37.. #16 He married second.... Emma Robar, daughter of William Edward Robar and Sophia E. Bezanson
born circa 1889 in Guysborough, Guysborough Co.N.S. Died April 28th, 1956.

Obituary for Emma Robar)Coolin....second wife of Edwin George Coolin... Halifax Mail Star... P.A.N.S. Reel #7447 April 30th, 1956 Page #24

Coolin:

There passed away at the Victoria General Hospital after a short illness, Mrs. Emma Hattie Coolin - formerly of St. Mary's River Lodge, Sheerbrooke, Guysborough Co. N.S. The remains are at Cruiskshanks Funeral Home. Services will be held on April 30th, 1956 at 3 pm . Internment in Camp Hill Cemetery.

.Notes taken form Cruickshanks Funeral Home:Emma Hattie Coolin

age 67......married....Presbyterian...Female.....Date of Death April 28th, 1956.....residence 30 Conolly St...Father: Wm. Edward Robar....Mother: Sophie E. Bezanson....Charges to Edwin G. Coolin.

Sources for Martha Ellen ROZEE:

Halifax Chronicle Herald - Obituary - Martha Rozee,

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The most recent update of information contained on this page was on: 25 July 2000

Bunnykins

Bunnykins Report 18 Dec 2008 23:00

Hi

Can someone look up the birth details of Michael William Southwood Coolin, he may be known as William Southwood Coolin. I think he was born in 1899 and his parents are Edwin George Coolin (Canadian) and Gertrude Ann Coolin (nee Crellin from IOM).

Also can you look up the marriage of his parents Edwin George Coolin (Canadian) and Gertrude Ann Coolin (nee Crellin from IOM). I have been informed of the date of their deaths but don't know their marriage.

Also is it possible to look up the marriage of Michael William Southwood Coolin and Eva Hearnon.

Many many thanks for your assistance.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 17 Dec 2008 21:23

Bunnykins, if you go to this site:

http://search-recherche.collectionscanada.ca/archives/search.jsp?Language=eng

Scroll down to "Soldiers of the First World War"
Click on that.
Click on "Search"
Type in surname Coolin.
There's a William Southward Coolin.
Click on his name, then "Front of form"
It certainly looks like a son of your Gertrude, but he was born in Montreal and his mother lived there.

There's also attestation papers for Edwin George Coolin but no other info there.

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 17 Dec 2008 21:21

The Drouin Collection should have the 1890 birth you have asked about. It is searchable at Ancestry.ca; Margaret, do you subscribe? I don't.

Searching there produces a result for

Mona Daisy Kneen

but I can't see the details of the record.

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 17 Dec 2008 21:14

It's too bad you started a new thread, BK.

All the info needed for background is in the other one:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1111178

Margaret may have wasted time because she didn't have that info to start wtih.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 17 Dec 2008 21:05

Unfortunately, Bunnykins, we don't have anything like your FreeBMD in Canada. BMDs are a provincial responsibility. Some provinces have Vital Statistics online but not all. It's very difficult to access anything less than 100 years old.
Margaret
p.s. Love your name! I think I have some of your dishes in my cupboard.

Bunnykins

Bunnykins Report 17 Dec 2008 18:46

Hi Margaret

Many thanks for the information you have found on the Kneen family. I think you are right about Mona as the Census of 1901 I have seen says "Mona" but the 1911 one says "Maria" so perhaps Maria is her name.

The 1881 Census is correct stating the right family with their children.

The newspaper article is very interesting but I am a bit confused about this. I assume the newspaper article is dated July 1907, if so, then I don't think it is the correct man as I have found Mr & Mrs Kneen on the 1911 Census living at 156 Elgin St in the province of Quebec and the son George would be correct but not Harry or Percy. May be it could be a relative of theirs as I believe this family of Kneen's didn't emigrate till 1890.

The information on Gertrude is great as I did wonder whether she had died around 1890 as she wasn't on the 1901 but obviously the only other reason would be that she had got married before the 1901 Census and would be found under her married name.

Thank you for your all help. As a matter of interest do you know if Canada has a version of FreeBMD like we do here in the UK or can you suggest any free websites were I can follow up any additional info I may need.

Bunnykins

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 17 Dec 2008 14:54

Is this the family?
1881 census
45 Bloom St., Liverpool, Lancashire
Joseph Kneen, head, 35, joiner, born Isle of man
Emily J., wife, 33, born Isle of Man
George F., son, 7
Gertrude A., dau, 5
Joseph, son, 3
Plus 2 boarders.
Children born Liverpool.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 17 Dec 2008 14:39

Found this:

CHILDREN: (1)......Edwin George (Nedder) Coolin Page : #37 #16.....Edwin George (Nedder ) Coolin Born 1879...Died Aug. 20th, 1956 in Yarmouth, Yarmouth Co. N.S. Buried in Halifax, Halifax Co. N.S. He married: 1st: Gertrude A. Kneen a daughter of Joseph Kneen and Emily Cretlin, circa 1877 in Liverpool, Merseyside County, United Kingdom...she died March 4th, 1946 in Lower Sackville, Halifax Co. N.S. Buried in Halifax, Halifax Co. N.S

Children of Edwin Geroge Coolin and Gertrude A. Kneen

(1) Michael William Southwood Coolin. He married Eva Hearnon. Bill worked for Ontario Pulp and Power and was living in Thorold, Ontario at the time of his father's funeral in 1956. Eva and Bill had 2 or 3 children.

Obituary for Gertrude A. (Kneen)Coolin.

The Halifax Mail.. P.A.N.S. Reel #7336 March 15th, 1946 Page #6 Mrs. Gertrude A. Coolin.

.Mrs. Gertrude A. Coolin, wife of Captain E.G. Coolin, Lower Sackville Halifax Co. N.S. died at her home yesterday, after a lengthy illness. She was in her 70th year. Born in Liverpool, she was the daughter of the late
Joseph and Emilly Kneen. Her passing will be learned and deep regretted by a wide circle of friends in the community. Besides, her husband, Mrs. Coolin is survived by one son Major William S. Coolin of Thorold, Ontario, two brothers George of South Africia and Joseph of Montreal. Funeral services , will be held at Cruickshanks Funeral Home, Robie Street at 2:00 pm on Saturday conducted by Rev. H.S. Blanchard. Interment in Camp Hill Cemetery.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 17 Dec 2008 14:35

Would this Thomas be a relative?

Mr. Kneen was born and bred on the Bishop's demense in the Isle of Man, where his father was head gardener to the Bishop.

Thomas Kneen emigrated to Montreal in Canada and a Montreal Paper dated July 1907 has the following report:

"Mr. Thomas Kneen passed away suddenly last night, at his residence, No. 3 Concord Street, from a stroke of paralysis. He was in his 77th year, and had been resident in Montreal for fifty years, coming to this city from the Isle of Man , his native place. He crossed the Atlantic on a sailing vessel, the St. Patrick, which arrived at Grosse Isle after a fair voyage of thirty days. From Point Lewis the train was taken to St. Lambert, and the St. Lawrence was crossed on July 7th 1857, on the Iron Duke which was employed on the steam ferry, before the Victoria Bridge was completed in 1860. Mr. Kneen was an expert joiner, especially in staircase work, the most difficult part of the trade, and he planned and constructed many of the staircases in the older mansions of the city. For many years he has been independently in business, however, as a builder, and the greatest confidence was reposed in his skill and judgement. A year or two ago he retired from business on the account of impaired health, and since then has been noticeably failing. He was a member and a regular attender of St. James Methodist Church and upright in all his relations with his fellow men. His word was his bond. he was charitable to others, and those who knew him best esteemed him most. Mrs. Kneen and 3 sons George, Harry and Percy survive him ".

Margaret Etherington



MargaretM

MargaretM Report 17 Dec 2008 14:29

Are you sure the daughter isn't Mona? That's the neme on the 1901 and 1911 censuses.

Bunnykins

Bunnykins Report 17 Dec 2008 13:59

Hi

Can someone have a look at the birth records for:

Maria Kneen born in 1890 in Quebec, Canada. Mother name: Emily Jane Kneen (nee Crellin) originally from IOM and Father Name: Joseph Kneen from IOM.

Thank you in advance.

With help from this "community", they have been found on the 1901 Census and 1911 Census just trying to tie up some loose ends. If any one could look up the deaths of her parents I would be also very grateful. If not any idea where I could do this so I can keep searching.

Thanks again