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Thank you all for the info I will order the full version of the birth cert and follow back fron there.Once again thanks Carol

How does Carol know when he was born? She makes no reference to having found him on any census......nor to his place of birth.

I have to agree that she must get the birth cert for James 1907. Until she does, everything is speculation...................

Ericthered,

maybe another red herring as it was on the other thread that Carol had on the board.
James Hargreaves snr 1860 married Sa/eranne

ValT

Found this on 1901 but she was born 1862
Serene Boyce born India in 1862.

Already married with several children in South London.

I think Carol should get the certificates of those she is certain of and take it back from there.
I personally have spent ages looking for people who finally turn up with totally different names from those family told.

ie Great Aunt Debbie turned out to be Emily Ethel..........

ValT

Well, 1907 was the birth of the second child...........

BUT........where is the reference to 1860? I can't see it on this thread anywhere

I would be wary about being 100% certain that the name by which the granddaughter knew this woman was accurate...........

The name Seranne does not appear on Ancestry on any transcribed records before 1984....and they are all births

saw that one Ericthered put off by the granddaughter saying it was Seranne............

She must have been a lot younger than James (1860) don't you think to have had children as late as 1918?

WELL now........................

Marriages Dec 1902 (>99%)
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Carroll Sarah Ann Chorlton 8c 1412
Hargreaves James Chorlton 8c 1412

Two 'possibles' for Mary

Births Sep 1913 (96%)

Hargreaves Mary E Lynch Chorlton 8c 1713

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Births Jun 1920 (>99%)

Hargreaves Mary E Carroll Chorlton 8c 1817


Others with MMN LYNCH

Births Mar 1915 (99%)
Hargreaves Charles J Lynch Chorlton 8c 1652

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Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Hargreaves Albert Lynch Chorlton 8c 1135

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Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
Hargreaves Charles Lynch Chorlton 8c 1672


Others wtih MMN CARROLL

Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Hargreaves Charles Carroll Chorlton 8c 1728

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Births Sep 1918 (97%)
Hargreaves Thomas Carroll Chorlton 8c 1267

Hi Carol,

is one of the daughters Mary Ethel or Mary Veronica as you stated earlier?

Thanks Porkie pie but im not sure this is the right one

on the 1901 census i cannot find anyone with the christian name Seranne, the only Hargreaves family i can find living in the area you quote with a birth place of India for the wife in 1901 is this one

Name: Alice Hargreaves
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: India

Civil Parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 193
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Cook 50
Alice Hargreaves 45
Charles Hargreaves 46
Elizabeth A Hargreaves 10
Hannah Hargreaves 23
Mary J Hargreaves 14
Thomas Hargreaves 19

Roy

other siblings include in order William Thomas Annie and Mary Ethel.James was the second born.

james born 1907 fathers name was also James.h.is occupation was a firemans labourer

Which of the other siblings were younger?

Is this the birth? Chorlton district covers Hulme

Births Dec 1907 (>99%)

HARGREAVES James Chorlton 8c 892

Hi

what was James born 1907 father's name and occupation? please.

ValT

her name is definantly Seranne. i got the information from seranne's grand daughter

I got the birth cert from James's daughter so how will i get a full version of it?

Where did you get the info on Seranne from?
Could her name have actually been Sarah Ann