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Surnames??

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grannymac

grannymac Report 5 Dec 2008 21:29

Mary Barber or Barbour - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: About 1850 Insch, Aberdeen, Scotland
States parents as James Barbour and Margaret Reid
In 1914 when Mary's son James Cheyne Middleton got married her name was Mary Ann Barber Middleton m/s Wallace!!
Sometimes Barbour,
Mary's Death Certificate: D 1926 Aged 75 Belhelvie Mary Middleton (Widow of Andrew middleton, farmer, retired). D 20th March 1926 at Gourdieburn Farm, Belhelvie, aged 75. Father - James Barber, Baker (deceased). Mother Margaret Davidson (deceased)
I

Wonder what the true surnames are of her and her mother.

Anyone able to help me find out?/

Thanks

Ethel

Catherine

Catherine Report 5 Dec 2008 22:00

This looks like her in 1851:-
Name: Mary Barber
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elisabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Insch, Aberdeenshire
Parish Number: 203
Civil Parish: Insch
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Carnieston
Occupation: At Home
ED: 4
Page: 6
Household schedule number: 23
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1851_46
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Barber 1 - Granddaughter
Betsy Davidson 10 - Daughter
Elisabeth Davidson 48 - Wife
Hellen Davidson 8 - Daughter
James Davidson 45 - Head
John Davidson 6 - Son
Margaret Davidson 23 - Unmarried Daughter
Peter Davidson 4 - Son

grannymac

grannymac Report 5 Dec 2008 22:11

Thanks Catherine this does seem to be her but wonder why her siblings are Davidsons?

As mentioned before her mother is known as Margaret reid and then as Margaret Davidson.

I think it is James Barbour who was her father so this Davidson family are probably her grandparents.

I'm getting rather confused.

Ethel

Catherine

Catherine Report 5 Dec 2008 22:17

Hi Ethel,
I've just checked ancestry again to see if there is anything else and luckily this census record is down as a free sample so there is more access.

Mary is noted as Granddaughter and Margaret is noted as being Unmarried Daughter, so it would seem that Mary was Margaret's daughter, but was born out of wedlock.

I've edited above census record.

grannymac

grannymac Report 5 Dec 2008 22:19

Have a marrige for James Barbour and Margaret Reid and that was in 1845 at Insch.

Wonder why Margaret is a Reid and yet is down as a Davidson in the 1851 census with Mary Barbour and Davidson on Mary Barbour's death cert.

Then I wonder why Mary Barbour has the name Wallace In 1914 when James Cheyne Middleton got married her name was Mary Ann Barber Middleton m/s Wallace!!

Ethel

Catherine

Catherine Report 5 Dec 2008 22:28

This would be the above family in 1841:-

Name: Margaret Davidson
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Gender: Female
Where born: Aberdeenshire, Scotland

Civil Parish: Insch
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Cairneston
Parish Number: 203

Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Davidson 8
Elizabeth Davidson 30
Elizbeth Davidson 2
George Davidson 6
James Davidson 30
Margaret Davidson 12
William Davidson 4

grannymac

grannymac Report 5 Dec 2008 22:30

Thanks for helping try to find out who is who!!

Ethel

grannymac

grannymac Report 5 Dec 2008 22:36

It's amazing how the ages change with each census.

Elizabeth was 30 in 1841 and then 48 in 1851 and james was 30 in 1841 and turned 45 in 1851!!!

Catherine

Catherine Report 5 Dec 2008 22:37

This would be the record from IGI that you mention:-

Mary Barber or Barbour
Female

Event(s):
Birth: About 1850 Insch, Aberdeen, Scotland

Death: 20 MAR 1926 Belhelvie, Aberdeen, Scotland

Parents:
Father: James Barbour
Mother: Margaret Reid

Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. So to be taken with caution.

What you need is Mary's birth certificate.

Sorry Ethel have edited!!

grannymac

grannymac Report 5 Dec 2008 22:43

Thanks for info-

The date given as when she was christened was actually the date of her death and she died at Belhelvie.

Ok perhaps her mother was never a Reid.

just need to try to find out why sMary Barbour had Wallace as a surname??

Ethel

Catherine

Catherine Report 5 Dec 2008 22:53

In the 1841 census the ages for adults were usually rounded down to the nearest 0, or 5, so someone in 1851 that was noted as 46 would probably be noted as 30 or 35 in 1841 census depending on the area and the numerator.

Catherine

Catherine Report 5 Dec 2008 22:55

Have to go now but will look again tomorrow.

grannymac

grannymac Report 5 Dec 2008 22:55

I'm learning more each day. I never knew that. thanks for making me aware of that.

Ethel

grannymac

grannymac Report 5 Dec 2008 22:56

Thanks Catherine. I'm heading off to bed as well. Going out to Inverness tomorrow so will be late home therefore it may be Sunday until I can answer you if you do happen to find out anymore for me.

Ethel

Catherine

Catherine Report 6 Dec 2008 10:34

1881:-
Name: Mary Middleton
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Andrew
Gender: Female
Where born: Insch, Aberdeenshire
Registration Number: 207
Registration district: Kemnay
Civil Parish: Kemnay
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Old Cairnton
Occupation: Quarry Worker Wife
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 26
Line: 10
Roll: cssct1881_61
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Middleton 1 - born: Kemnay
Andrew Middleton 41 - Quarry Worker
born: Chapel of Garioch, Aberdeenshire
Andrew Middleton 11 - born: Chapel of Garioch
Elspet Middleton 3 - born: Kemnay
Margaret Middleton 7 - born: Chapel of Garioch
Mary Middleton 30
Mary Ann Middleton 9 - born: Chapel of Garioch

so Mary was already married in 1871 so the above census would not be correct one.

Catherine

Catherine Report 6 Dec 2008 10:38

The correct 1871 census:-

Name: Mary B Middleton
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Andrew
Gender: Female
Where born: Insch, Aberdeenshire
Registration Number: 179
Registration district: Chapel of Garioch
Civil Parish: Chapel of Garioch
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Private House
Occupation: Farm Servant's Wife
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 21
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1871_36
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Middleton 32 Occupation: Tarm Servant
Andrew Middleton 1
Mary B Middleton 22

couple of mistakes in the transcript, maybe the handwriting wasn't too clear.

So why can't I find her in 1861??
The 1861 census could give some important info!!

Catherine

Catherine Report 6 Dec 2008 17:08

probable marriage for James and Elisabeth:-

JAMES DAVIDSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 06 AUG 1826 Insch, Aberdeen, Scotland
Spouse: ELIZABETH MARTIN

Children:-

JAMES DAVIDSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 17 OCT 1826
Gender: Male Christening: 22 OCT 1826 Insch, Aberdeen, Scotland

MARGARET DAVIDSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 24 MAY 1828
Gender: Female Christening: 16 JUN 1828 Insch, Aberdeen, Scotland

ALEXANDER DAVIDSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 08 DEC 1829
Gender: Male Christening: 10 DEC 1829 Insch, Aberdeen, Scotland

ANNE DAVIDSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 11 OCT 1831
Gender: Female Christening: 13 OCT 1831 Insch, Aberdeen, Scotland

Sorry Ethel, posted that because I'm having trouble finding anything else.