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No worries Laura. I deleted the link as I saw I was wrong about the name.

Ozi.

It was the Mary that you found that was born in Edmonthorpe and married to James, but the link isn't there now - I was a bit slow replying.

Which Mary are you talking about? 1871 is the wife of John. 1851 is the wife of Patrick. Unfortunately I can't find any of them in 1861.

Ozi.

I don't think that this is them, because the mother, Mary, would be too young to have a child born around 1850. I'm still looking but really struggling to find anything - not too good at it really.

Holborn is the registration district for St Clement Danes in Westminster.

????

Births Sep 1841
Barry John Holborn 2 126

??? I'm not happy with this as it would be uncommon for a labourer's son to become a shoemaker, but Patrick may have fallen on hard times.

1851 England Census
Name: John Barry
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Gender: Male
Where born: St Clement Westr

Civil Parish: St George Bloomsbury
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: 10 Marchmont Place

Occupation:

Registration district: St Giles
Sub registration district: St George Bloomsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 417
Household Members: Name Age
Patrick Barry 34 - labourer; b. Cork, Ireland
Mary Barry 31 - b. Kerry, Ireland
John Barry 12

1871 England Census
Name: John Berry
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: St Clements, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Leicester
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address: St James St

Occupation: bootmaker

Registration district: Leicester
Sub registration district: East Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
John Berry 29
Mary Jane Berry 27 - machininst, Northamptonshire
Thomas Berry 8 - scholar, b. Sheffield
Emily Berry 6 - scholar, b. Leicester
Elizabeth Jane Berry 4 - scholar, b. Windsor
Fredk Berry 1 month - b. Leicester

Its the parents of John Barry born 1850(?) that I need to try and find, I've been finding it difficult because they all seem to have the same name. I think that his parents may have come from Dublin but I'm not 100% on this, there is some Irish connection on that side. I do know that the Barry family came to the Leicester area and thats where they stayed.

The Elmer connection was something that was suggested by my mother in law, but again this could be completely wrong.

Any information at all would be really helpful as I seem to have hit a brick wall.

Are you sure about his date of birth?

1861 England Census
Name: James Elmer
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Northampton St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Northampton
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street address: 18 Upper Harding St

Occupation: shoemaker

Registration district: Northampton
Sub registration district: St Giles
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 168
Household Members: Name Age
James Elmer 30
Mary Elmer 28 - shoe closer [not too sure about the 'closer']
Robert Elmer 8
William Elmer 5


All born Northampton.


In what way do you think they're connected with the Barry's other than occupation?

Marriages Dec 1851
Brown Alfred Northampton 15 663
>>>>Elmer James Northampton 15 663
Heel Sarah Northampton 15 663
Packwood Benjamin Northampton 15 663
Seamark Mary Northampton 15 663
Smith George Northampton 15 663
>>>>Spencer Mary Northampton 15 663
Towell Ellen Elizabeth Northampton 15 663

Red herring - I deleted the info.

Free BMD:
John Barry married Mary Ann Garrett, Northampton, Dec. Q 1860. (3b 164)

1891 census
3 Court B, Queen St., Leicester, Leicestershire
John Barry, head, 49, cordwainer, born London
Mary J., wife, 46, shoe machinist, born Northants, Northampton
Margaret, dau, 18, shoe machinist, born Yorks, Sheffield
John, son, 14, shoe finisher, born Leics, Leicester
William, son, 12, scholar, born Leics, New Humberstone
Waler J. Daulby?, grandson, 5, born Leics, Barwell
Caroline Jones, cousin, 41, glove stitcher, born Leics, Leicester

1881 England Census
Name: John Barry
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: St Georges, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Humberstone
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address: Hastings Rd

Registration district: Billesdon
Sub registration district: Billesdon
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Jane Barry 35 - Shoe machine hd
Thomas Barry 19
Emillia Barry 16
Elizabeth Barry 13
Maggie Barry 7
John Barry 4
William Barry 2

Is it census info you want?

1901 England Census
Name: John Barry
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Keziah
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicester, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Leicester Formerly St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address: 18 Denman St

Occupation: Shoe edge setter machine minder

Registration district: Leicester
Sub registration district: North West Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 59
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
John Barry 24
Keziah Barry 22 - Hose'r Turner [hosiery??]
John Barry 4
Elizabeth Barry 3
William Barry 1


It's unusual to get a wife's occupation.

Was this in the UK?

I.ve read this 3 times and cant seem to find a place of birth or where they lived ?
Are you looking for Johns parents ?

Trying to find information about John Barry b. 1850 married Mary Jane Garrett b 1849. May be connected to James Elmer b. 1845 and Mary Spencer. John Barry had a son John Barry b 12 June 1876 who died 6 September 1965. He married Keziah Cotton we think on 31 May 1896. They had a son called John Barry born 22 June 1896. He married Lily Rollett. They had 7 children - Ivy b. 1920, Lily Muriel b. 1924, John b. 1926, Morris b. 1929, Jean b. 1932, Sylvia b. 1933 and Carl b.1937.

Any information about any of the above and also further back would be appreciated.