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Can anyone please give some ideas, as i am up against a brick wall. All I have are my birth, and my parents marriage certificates, my mother is named as Rosina Charlotte Church, and by the age given, she was born 1922. But I have checked the register of births for this and 5 years either side and there is no entry. she lived all her life as far as i know in the east end of London, as I have an address in Shoreditch in 1941, also her father Edward Church profession given street trader died somewhere between 1943-1951. Is this an impossible task or can someone give me a way to go forward.
Thanks in anticipation.
Len

Hi Linda many thanks is that 1922 and do I need the quarter

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Charlotte R Church
Name: Charlotte R Church
Year of Registration: 1918
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Old
District: Holborn
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 749

Hi
did your mother have any siblings?

ValT

So very sorry this is so vague, but this is all that I know, will try to see if I can find a marriage Edward Church and maiden name Old. Len

Marriages Jun 1909
CHURCH James Shoreditch 1c 220
OLD Charlotte.

many thanks you guys this morning a brick wall, now possible new leads to check out, again many thanks. Len

1891 England Census
about Charlotte Old
Name: Charlotte Old
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Louisa
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreditch, London, England

Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Chads
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub registration district: Haggerston
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Old 41
Louisa Old 39
Louisa Old 17
Eliza Old 12
Chas Old 10
Minnie Old 8
Charlotte Old 6
Ellen Old 4
Lillia Old 1
Wm Richard 19
Alfred Richard 17
Chas Ardener 37

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possible parents

Births Mar 1912
Church Mary E Old Shoreditch 1c 107

Births Jun 1915
Church Daisy H A Old Shoreditch 1c 36

Births Sep 1918
Church Charlotte R Old Holborn 1b 749

It seems the Shoreditch theme comes to the top time and time again

Think Charlotte died 1960 Shoreditch

Hi Len,
What was you mother's married name.
Maybe if we check her death registration it will give her age.

Hi Len

What year did your parents marry?

From Val

have just found in search records, year of death, gives year of birth as 1921 yet on the marriage certificate I received recently, dated 1951 gives her age as 29

1951 - 29 = 1922

But - If she married before her birthday, she would have been born in 1921 but not yet have been 30. What month was the marriage?

you are right 5 months difference, didn't think

At least she told the truth! Back before FreeBMD got really moving, I searched and searched, "manually", on the poor-quality images (and under three possible surnames!) for someone who said she was 19 when she married in July 1875.

That meant she was born between July 1855 and July 1856. I searched all the way back to January 1855 for good measure. No joy.

Well, some many months later, when FreeBMD filled the gap in the mid-1850s that had been left for so long, I found her on an automated search. She was born in the last quarter of 1854. She was well on her way to being 21 when she married. But her husband, he was 19. And rich, lol.

Len - thanks for the PM, but it's too complicated to follow back and forth to the thread, lol.

I'll just put your message here:

"Is it worth following the Charlotte R Church b1918, whose mother was Charlotte Church nee Old from Shoreditch link. I'm pretty sure my mother was from Shoreditch and the certificate is signed in the presence of, Lottie Church. It all seem to nearly fits together."

because the others in the thread have a better idea than I do, I expect. I was just reading it for interest and hit on the arithmetic problem!

Let me take a look ...

So ... I would get the Charlottte R Church birth cert and make sure the R is Rosina.

That would pretty much clinch it, I'd say. I would do that before pursuing her.

It certainly seems like a coherent story. Mother Charlotte, signed Lottie. Daughter named for mother, known by her middle name to distinguish them -- that's very common.

She may have thought of Charlotte as her middle name. Odd that she would have her age out by what, 3 years, if she was born 1918, especially if her mother was there! Not entirely unheard of, though.

How old was her groom, btw? Brides didn't like to be older than their grooms sometimes.

May as well cross-pollinate!

http://genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1106745

Albert Harold E, or Harold Albert E?

Looks to have been born Albert, called Hal, so married as Harold.

Like my grandfather who was born Edmund but called Ted, so married as Edward!