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Hello I'm having real problems with one of my ancestors not that far back in my family tree!
The Thomas Payne I'm looking for was born in Bethnal Green in 1858 and was a glass (bottle) maker I believe, however there was another Thomas Payne born the same year in Stepney which seems to be almost interchangable with Bethnal Green!
I believe his wife's name was Mary but I can't find her surname anywhere and they had 10(?) daughters Asthermine (Not sure of name or spelling), Harriet, Mary, Alice, Sarah, Esther, Hilda, Eliza/Lizzie, Florence and Dora.
He may have had a brother called Adolphus or a sister called Mary but I'm really not sure!
Does anyone know who Thomas' parents were, what his wife's maiden name was and whether he had any siblings?

Thanks!

Search records - 1901 census (England and Wales)
These are the details for all individuals who lived with Thomas Payne on the night of the census.
1901 census record for household of Thomas Payne «Back to results
Address 53 Pundeeson Gds
Civil Parish Bethnal Green
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St Judes
Parliamentary Borough or Division South West Bethnal Green
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Bethnal Green
Administrative County London

Householder 1
Name Dora Payne
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 4
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Juvenile
Employment Status
Where Born London Bethnal Green
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Esther Payne
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 16
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Book Folder
Employment Status
Where Born London Bethnal Green
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Florence Payne
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 7
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Juvenile
Employment Status
Where Born London Bethnal Green
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Hilda Payne
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 14
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Tailoress
Employment Status
Where Born London Bethnal Green
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Lizzie Payne
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 12
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Juvenile
Employment Status
Where Born London Bethnal Green
Language
Infirmity
Householder 6
Name Mary Payne
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 43
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London Bethnal Green
Language
Infirmity
Householder 7
Name Sarah Payne
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 17
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Stamp Puforater
Employment Status
Where Born London Bethnal Green
Language
Infirmity
Householder 8
Name Thomas Payne
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 43
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Glass Bottle Maker
Employment Status
Where Born London Bethnal Green
Language
Infirmity
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1891:-
Name: Thomas Payne
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: London
Country: England

Occupation: Glass Bottle Maker

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub registration district: Bethnal Green South
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice Payne 9
Catherine Payne 13
Eliza Payne 3
Esther Payne 4
Harriet Payne 12
Mary Ann Payne 33
Mary Ann Payne 10
Sarah Payne 7
Sarah Payne 6
Thomas Payne 33

Athermine is Catherine

This looks like daughter Dora's birth

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Births Dec 1896
Payne Dora Bethnal G. 1c 235

The birth certificate would show her mother's full birth name.

1881:-
Name: Thomas Payne
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: B Green, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 14 Hartley St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Glass Bottle Blower

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub registration district: Bethnal Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Catherine Payne 3
Harriett Payne 2
Mary Ann Payne 23
Mary Ann Payne
Thomas Payne 23

Possible marriage:-
Marriages Dec 1876 (>99%)
BEDWELL Joseph Bethnal Green 1c 509
Brooks Caroline Bethnal Green 1c 509
Brown Mary Ann Bethnal Green 1c 509
Payne Thomas William Bethnal Green 1c 509

1871 England Census about Thomas Payne
Name: Thomas Payne
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub registration district: Bethnal Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 247
Household Members:
Name Age
Emma Hillman 47
Charles Hudson 22
Harriet Hudson 14
Mary Ann Hudson 17
Rachel Hudson 16
Adolphus Payne 15
Thomas Payne 13
Catherine Sharp 35
William Sharp 37
James Weekly 23

William Sharp married Catherine Payne in 1867, Bethnal Green so William Sharp is Thomas Payne's step-father and Catherine is his birth mother

1871:-
Name: Thomas Payne
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub registration district: Bethnal Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 247
Household Members:
Name Age
Emma Hillman 47
Charles Hudson 22
Harriet Hudson 14
Mary Ann Hudson 17
Rachel Hudson 16
Adolphus Payne 15
Thomas Payne 13
Catherine Sharp 35
William Sharp 37
James Weekly 23

I saw the other Thomas Payne but he is noted as profession Printer.
This one, brother Adolphus is noted as Glass Blower!!
As mother is Catherine and he had a daughter Catherine I would think this one is the better bet!

1861 England Census about Adolphus Payne
Name: Adolphus Payne
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Adolphus
Mother's Name: Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: B Gn, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub registration district: Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 402
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Head 20
Adolphus Payne 51
Adolphus Payne 5
Catherine Payne 24
Thos Payne 3

Adolphus Payne married Catherine Head in 1856, St Giles.

1851 - Adolphus with his first wife.

Name Age
Adolphus Payne 41
Ann Payne 31
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Deaths Jun 1867 (>99%)
Payne Adolphus 58 Bethnal Green 1c 171


Possible death for first wife Ann:-
Deaths Dec 1852 (>99%)
Payne Ann Bethnal Green 1c 188

1851 England Census about Catherine Head
Name: Catherine Head
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Leah
Gender: Female
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Stepney
Sub registration district: Mile End Old Town Lower
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Head 8
Arthur Head 12
Catherine Head 15
Elizabeth Head 5
John Head 50
Leah Head 40
Sarah Head 10

There's every possibility that this was his first wife, Ann his second and Catherine his third

1841 England Census about Adolphus Payne
Name: Adolphus Payne
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Stepney
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Stepney
Sub registration district: Mile End Old Town Lower
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Household Members:
Name Age
Adolphus Payne 30
Elizh Payne 30
Elizh Payne 10
Willm Neeport 25
Willm Watkins 18

Just for information,
in 1861 census Adolphus is noted as being a Wine and Beer Seller and their address is noted as 210 Bethnal Green Road Beer Shop.

Thank you all for your help it's much appreciated!

Adolphus Payne abt 1811 Middlesex, England Stepney, Middlesex
(Cordwainer)
Elizh Payne abt 1811 Middlesex, England Stepney, Middlesex
Elizh Payne abt 1831 Middlesex, England Stepney, Middlesex
Willm Neeport abt 1816 Middlesex, England
Stepney, Middlesex
Willm Watkins abt 1823 Middlesex, England
Stepney, Middlesex


Birth for Elizabeth:-
ELIZABETH AMELIA PAYNE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 MAY 1831 Spitalfields Christ Church, Stepney, London, England
Father: ADOLPHUS PAYNE
Mother: ELIZABETH MARY

and Marriage for Adolphus:-
ADOLPHUS PAYNE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 14 FEB 1830 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England
Spouse: ELIZABETH MARY WATKINS


Possible death for Elizabeth:-
Deaths Jun 1846 (>99%)
Payne Elizabeth Stepney 2 300

Birth for Adolphus:-
ADOLPHUS PAYNE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 10 APR 1809
ADOLPHUS PAYNE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 JUN 1809 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England
Father: WILLIAM PAYNE
Mother: ELIZABETH