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looking for any info on Philadelphia Grooby dob 1888 lambeth
think i've found her in 1891 cenus although this was by trial and error as the preview shows her as WILLIM GROOBY aged 2 once i viewed the orginal i found it was her ( god only knows where they got the name Willim from!) any way i can't find her or parents in the 1901 cenus,but i know she married Francis Fretwell in 1911,she seemed to have disappeared for 10 years along with her parents and sister louise.
Thank you jo

For reference:


1891 England Census
about Philadelphia E Grooby
Name: Philadelphia E Grooby
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Philadelphia B
Gender: Female
Where born: Battersea, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub registration district: West Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Grooby 30 (Stamford)
Louisa C Grooby 5
Philadelphia B Grooby 30 (Plumstead, Kent)
Philadelphia E Grooby 2

census 1891
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

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GROOBY, John Head Married M 30 1861 Wheelwright
Stamford Hill
GROOBY, Philadelphia B Wife Married F 30 1861
Plumstead
Hampshire
GROOBY, Louisa C Daughter F 5 1886
Battersea
Surrey
GROOBY, Philadelphia E Daughter F 2 1889
Battersea
Surrey

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
432 Folio:
49 Page:
44

Registration District:
Wandsworth Sub District:
West Battersea EnumerationDistrict:
18 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Christchurch

Civil Parish:
Battersea Municipal Borough:
Address:
102, Hamballa Road, Battersea County:
London
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1884
Grooby John Wandsworth 1d 956

PARRIS Philadelphia Barbara Wandsworth 1d 956


children for Grooby and Fretwel
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1912 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FRETWELL Frencis R Grooby Wandsworth 1d 1020

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Births Sep 1914 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Fretwell Ronald W Grooby Wandsworth 1d 1019

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Births Jun 1916 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Fretwell Phyllis A Grooby Wandsworth 1d 996

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Births Mar 1923
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FRETWELL Stanley J Grooby Lewisham 1d 1862

A possible death for John. I wonder if Philadelphia remarried


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about John Grooby
Name: John Grooby
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 35
District: Wandsworth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 408

Hi Joanna.
Cannot help with the up to date details, but these should hopefully be on the 1911 census when it comes out.

Marriage of John Grooby to Philadelphia Barbara Parris 1884 Oct/Dec Qtr. reg in Wandsworth. vol 1d 956.
John was a wheelwright.
Hope this is of help. Ethel.

Sister's marriage


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Louisa C Grooby
Name: Louisa C Grooby
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's name: George Burrett
District: Wandsworth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 1399

hmmmmmmmmmmmm??


couldn't find a Philadelphia Grooby marriage after 1895, but there was this one


Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)

Coleman Henry John Hastings 2b 69
Parris Philadelphia Hastings 2b 69


sorry, not your Philadelphia ..... this is this couple on the 1901
census

1901 Census

Name: Philadelphia Coleman
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry John
Gender: Female
Where born: Hollington, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: St Matthew
Ecclesiastical parish: Hastings St Mary in the Castle
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Registration district: Hastings
Sub registration district: St Mary Magdalen
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 128
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Richard Coleman 10 months
Frank William Coleman 18
Henry John Coleman 25
Henry John Coleman 4
Philadelphia Coleman 23
William Alfred Coleman 2



sylvia

I saw that one too, Sylvia, but in the 1901 census, the girls are not with that family.

Found the parents prior to marriage:


1881 England Census
about Philadelphia Parris
Name: Philadelphia Parris
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Louisa
Gender: Female
Where born: Plumstead, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Battersea
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 51 Tugela Rd
Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Occupation: Tailoress Military

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub registration district: Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Grooby 20
Louisa Parris 48
Philadelphia Parris 20
Robert Parris 27
William Parris 25

BINGO!


1901 England Census
about Pheladophia Grosby
Name: Pheladophia Grosby
[nee Pheladophia Parris]
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Louisa
Gender: Female
Where born: Plumstead, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub registration district: Northwest Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 263
Household Members:
Name Age
Annie A Grosby 7
Louisa Grosby 15
Pheladelphia Grosby 12
Pheladophia Grosby 42
Alfred Parris 16
Frederick Parris 12
Louisa Parris 68
Robert Parris 47
Robert Parris 14
William Parris 42
William Parris 18

FOUND THEM!!


1901Census

Name: Pheladelphia Grosby
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Granddaughter
Mother's Name: Pheladophia
Gender: Female
Where born: Battersea, London, England

Civil Parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub registration district: Northwest Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 263
Household Members: Name Age
Annie A Grosby 7
Louisa Grosby 15
Pheladelphia Grosby 12
Pheladophia Grosby 42 Daughter, Widow, Tailoress
Alfred Parris 16
Frederick Parris 12
Louisa Parris 68 Head, Widow
Robert Parris 47 Son, Single
Robert Parris 14
William Parris 42 Son, Widower
William Parris 18

Address:- 89 Mantua St



sylvia

The younger sister:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Annie Adelaide Grooby
Name: Annie Adelaide Grooby
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Wandsworth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 630

snap Lew!!!!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Annie A Grooby
Name: Annie A Grooby
Year of Registration: 1918
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's name: Albert G Kercher
District: Wandsworth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 1378

pmsl, and good morning to you, Sylvia :-)

Hi!


it's raining here ... was miserable for the Cenotaph services this morning!




sylvia

Tis only 16c here, but a top of 27c expected, so I hope it warms up a bit!

I think we're at our warmest for the day ......... around 10C!


all downhill from here on.



sylvia