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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	16 Nov 2008 18:01
	Sound like quite the rascal! Hard to believe he was the private chaplain of Pope Pius IX, rector of the Roman Catholic University, Kensington etc.
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 13 Send Message	Tobias	Report	16 Nov 2008 15:10
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 13 Send Message	There's a whole article's worth!! He was involved in a series of scandals in the 1870-80s which I have found in cataloguing an archive of the time. Basicly when Mgr Capel came round you locked up your money, wives and drink not necessarily in that order!!
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	15 Nov 2008 00:04
	Oh? There's something you're not telling us?
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 13 Send Message	Tobias	Report	14 Nov 2008 23:58
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 13 Send Message	He did indeed die a RC Priest but celebacy was something that he wasn't very good at! That is part of the article I'm writing on him. Tobias
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	14 Nov 2008 22:53
	Have a look at this: http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=990CEFD61131E233A25757C2A9669D946096D6CF&oref=slogin
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	14 Nov 2008 22:47
	No, no, no, he died as a Roman Catholic priest, didn't he? He was a monsignor when he died.
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,113 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	14 Nov 2008 21:56
	he could have left the church, and married might be interesting to try to find that Capel/Vassar marriage sylvia
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	14 Nov 2008 14:34
	Actually, Tobias, there was a death in California of a Thomas J. Capel that intrigued me. He was born 1906 with mother's maiden name Vassar.. I suppose it's possible that he was a son of your Thomas J. but your TJ would have been abt. 70 and not very celibate!
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 13 Send Message	Tobias	Report	14 Nov 2008 14:15
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 13 Send Message	You are correct the vow of celibacy does mean he would have no legitimate direct heirs. Decendants of his sisters would be fine. T
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	12 Nov 2008 17:52
	According to the censuses he had 4 sisters and a brother but their descendants are not his descendants and Roman Catholc priests do take a vow of chastity.
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 13 Send Message	Tobias	Report	12 Nov 2008 15:33
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 13 Send Message	He did have a sister!!! Tobias
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	10 Nov 2008 16:05
	From the Utica, New York Herald Dispatch, Tuesday, Oct. 24, 1911: Monsignor Thomas John Capel, who died in Sacramento, California yesterday at the age of 75, was at the height of his career, widely noted for his eloquence and for his success in making converts to the Roman Catholic Church from among the gentry of the Church of England. Disraeli did much to spread his fame by making him Catesby, a leading character in his novel "Lohair". He had resided in America since 1882. Someone with access to Ancestry.com should be able to find him on the US censuses.
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	10 Nov 2008 15:46
	A descendant of a Roman Catholic priest? I think not!!!
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 13 Send Message	Tobias	Report	10 Nov 2008 14:33
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 13 Send Message	Many thanks everyone for your help. I'm in the process of writing an article on Mgr Capel and I rather lose track of him in the US in 1885. Can't even find notice of his death although it is usually said to be 1911. Was hoping to find some decendants. Tobias
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,113 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	10 Nov 2008 04:25
	and this might the reason for his confusion about his birthplace!! 1841 Census Name: Thomas Capel Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Deal Hundred: Bewsborough County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Eastry Sub registration district: Deal Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Capel 30 b. ca 1811, Kent, Coastguard Mary Capel 30 b.ca 1811, Ireland Maria Capel 6 b.ca 1835, Ireland Thomas Capel 5 Mary Capel 1 b.ca 1840, Kent It was quite common for someone to think they were born in the place where they spent most of their early life! sylvia
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	10 Nov 2008 01:08
	Have you googled his name, Tobias? There are many books written by him, portraits of him in the National Portrait gallery
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	10 Nov 2008 00:49
	Could this be the family in 1851? Sister Elizabeth matches. 1851 census Station Cottage, Hastings St. Leonard, Sussex John Capel, head, 41, coast guard chief boatman, born Kent, Brompton Mary, wife, 42, born Ireland, Waterford Thomas John, son, 15, pupil teacher, born Ireland, Waterford Mary Bridget, dau, 11, born Kent, Ramsgate Sarah Ann, dau, 8, born Kent, Deal Elizabeth, dau, 6, born Sussex, Sizewell Gap Arthur Joseph, son, 3,born Sussex, Sizewell Gap
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	10 Nov 2008 00:36
	1871 census (Says born Ireland here) 2 Scarsdale Villas, Kensington Thomas J. Capel, head, 35, Roman catholic priest, born Ireland, Ardmore Elizabeth, sister, 25, born Suffolk, NK Anne Collins, servant, 32, housekeeper, born Ireland, Cork Kate Flannagan, servant, 27, general servant, born Ireland, Limerick
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 23,482 Send Message	MargaretM	Report	10 Nov 2008 00:29
	1881 census Scarsdale Lodge, Kensington Thomas J Capel, head, 43, prelate of the pope, born Kent Ramsgate Annie Collins, servant, 45, housekeeper, born Ireland Margaret Collins, servant, 20, domestic servant, born London
	Researching: Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 13 Send Message	Tobias	Report	10 Nov 2008 00:14
Member Since: August 2006 Posts: 13 Send Message	Can anyone help me find information about Thomas John Capel who was a Roman Catholic priest based in Kensington?

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