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As i said i know what its like tracing Smith's mine is edwin John /John Edwin etc or his father George Henry or whatever he wants to be called at the time of a census or certificate! but glad you found the connection Dea

Thank you Andy - I am not sure my husband would appreciate me receiving 'big kisses' over the internet (but I won't tell him !!)

Anyway - just pleased you are happy with the info.

I am sure it is correct - I have checked all census and Bmd + christenings etc.

I will keep my notes to one side for a week or so until you have time to check all via Ancestry.

Let me know if there is anything you need more detail on.

Best wishes,

Dea x

Hi Dea

Once again thank you
you are a star for finding this information for me . I have got ancestry but having a little trouble with it at the moment but hopefully it will be sorted in the day or so

once again thank you

andy here a big kiss XX

His mother was actually Emma Jane and this is his parents marriage:

Marriages Dec 1847

CAVELL Frederick Havant 7 215
COOPER Ellen Havant 7 215
>>>>Matthews Emma Jane Havant 7 215
>>>>SMITH John Havant 7 215

He can easily be found with parents up to and including 1871 - LOTS of siblings - his father died before 1881 when his mother had remarried to a Thomas Crockford!

This Sidney G does not appear after 1871 - only George!

Dea x

P.S. - I can post all the census's if you haven't got access to Ancestry!

You can find all the children's christenings on IGI. which also confirm parents.

Emma Jane was only Jane on 1851 - after that Emma or Emma J.

Christenings after 1851 were usually John + Emma also.

Dea x

Births Dec 1851
SMITH Sidney George Havant 7 110

Dea x

I SWEAR this wasn't there when I looked yesterday !!!!!!!!!

Smith, British Isles
Father: John , Mother: Jane
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*****1. SIDNEY GEORGE SMITH *****- International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 JUL 1852 Saint Faith, Havant, Hampshire, England

2. JOHN SMITH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 MAR 1850 Saint Faith, Havant, Hampshire, England


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Looks like we are getting somewhere??


Dea x

Hi Dea

A big Thankyou to you and janice for all the information that you have found .
I was working off the marriage cert for william and charlotte and its says for father for william as sidney maybe he was know as sidney instead of george

once again thankyou i'll look into the info and reort back

yours andy

Well,

If we don't - he is certainly related so 'every little helps' to trace the right family.

Dea x

Well Dea hope we have the right one ,i know what its like tracing Smith i married one!!
1881 free for him to search
Name: William Smith
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Kate
Gender: Male
Where born: Farnham, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Winchester
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address: 5 Upper Brook St

living at 24 in 1891 George is married but no wife there
Name: Alfred Smith
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Gender: Male
Where born: Winchester, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: St Mary Kalender
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Name: George Smith
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Gender: Male
Where born: Havant, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: St Mary Kalender
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Hampshire


Name: Harry Smith
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Gender: Male
Where born: Winchester, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: St Mary Kalender
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Hampshire

Name: John Smith
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Gender: Male
Where born: Winchester, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: St Mary Kalender
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Hampshire

Name: William Smith
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Gender: Male
Where born: Burnham, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: St Mary Kalender
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity

Janice - THANK YOU !!

Andy can now work backwards - though he had the father down as Sidney but it looks like it may have been George!

We will have to wait until he comes back on thread to try and sort it but many thanks for the look-up on his behalf.

Dea x

1901
22 upper brook st
William Smith
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Kate
Where born: Farnham, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: St Mary Kalendar
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity


Name: George Smith
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Kate
Gender: Male
Where born: Havant, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: St Mary Kalendar
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Hampshire

Name: Kate Smith
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Fordingbridge, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: St Mary Kalendar
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Hampshire


Name: John Smith
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Kate
Gender: Male
Where born: Winchester, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: St Mary Kalendar
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Hampshire

Name: Alfred Smith
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Kate
Gender: Male
Where born: Winchester, Hampshire, England

another little nudge please!

Dea x

Nudged for 1901 address look-up please if anyone can help?

Dea x

Now - a possible little lead here:

I cannot follow it as I don't have access to 1901 via address search but I have looked in Winchester Directories and in both 1900 and 1913 Directories there is a G Smith living at 22 Upper Brook Street so if anyone can look at the 1901 via this address the G Smith living there should help us trace the correct Smith family!

Can anyone access this address on 1901 please and give the details so we can trace back?

Dea x

i everybody i have just found i birth for sidney smith in dec 1845 in winchester

thanks linda i'll look at that

Could this help Andy??

Name: William Francis Sidney Smith
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 9 Sep 1877
Christening Place: Westbury, Wiltshire, England
Father's Name: Sidney Smith
Mother's Name: Louisa Annie

thanks everybody for trying to help this is driving me nuts i'll go back to the wife's family and see if can find out anything else

yours andy

looks like Andrew could be another one waiting for the 1911 census!!
Andrew any idea if he was in WW1 to see if there are any records?

1901 then shows the witnesses were Charlotte's brother and her sister. - No help there then with the Smiths.

Dea x