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yes I thought I would have less problems on my mothers side til i found out that her grandad married a smith

LOL you have to laugh,I have missing Smith's all over the country given up looking for them now.But I do think you may have to start again back to what you know to be right.Traveller's are terribly hard to track.As I said I have the disc's for nottingham and there isn't any William and Minnies marrying or any children being baptised.

wayne/tracy
i believe the father to be correct as his son william smith was my grandfather, I was reliably told by my aunt that her dad was born on a fairground site.

well now,
not only am I searching for the most prolific name in the country, he had a horse and caravan, puts a new slant on "did your dad have a bike"

the above also lets me know why I got the nickname Fang during my apprenticeship.
I was in the radio room and was told there was a young lady in reception to see me. I shot through like a bullet out of a gun.....................only to find a gipsy trying to sell pegs and the receptionist couldnt get rid of her. "clear off we dont want any" did the trick.
She must have seen something in my eyes and was frightened I would put a curse on her, must be my gipsy blood. pmsl.

Lester Hathern is near Loughborough Leicestershire....

So looks like we have a different father and different county?


Tracey

This could mean they got married anywhere and the checks for nottingham i have done could be all incorrect.

sorry sam got great grandads names mixed up am going round in circles

So emma's parents where William and Minnie not Samuel?that's why I couldn't find them on the census.It does say that Emma was born in Lestershire...

It is highly likely they were travellers , Minnie is the name shown on the census dont know if it was a pet name or not.

Search records - 1901 census (England and Wales)
These are the details for all individuals who lived with Minnie Smith on the night of the census.
1901 census record for household of Minnie Smith «Back to results
Address Cremorne Fair Ground 1 Caravans
Civil Parish Nottingham
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St George
Parliamentary Borough or Division Southern Division
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Nottingham
Administrative County Nottingham

Householder 1
Name Emma Smith
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 8
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Lester Hathern
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Mary Smith
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 1
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Nottingham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Minnie Smith
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 30
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Notts Selston
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name William Smith
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 33
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Clothers Peg Maker
Employment Status
Where Born Notts Willoughton
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name William Smith
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 5
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Notts Eastwood
Language
Infirmity
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Is this Emma??

1901 England Census
about Emma Smith
Name: Emma Smith
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Nottingham

Civil Parish: Nottingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub registration district: Nottingham South East

Herbert Bellamy 8
Annie Robinson 52
James Robinson 52
Daisy Smith 13
Emma Smith 18 << Boarder
Sarah Smith 15

Bryan,can you find it an copy it onto here please?I still can't find them.

If they were travellers they are horrendous to find!
I think Minnie is a pet name too.

Bryan,

Were they travellers?


Tracey

I think Minnie is a pet name....

1901 census
cremone fairgrounds 1 caravans

ahhhh yeah sorry, i'm going blind, it's the lack of alcohol in my blood stream....!!

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What were the names of the other children,I can't find them any census.I have the baptism,death and marriage disc's and there's no minnie mentioned.

I thought was Emma Smith nottingham 7b 339

Have you got Samuel and Minnie on any census return?
Tracey , Bryan said she was born the last quarter of 1883 ;0)