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Thanks Catherine and Lorraine,
This is a big help, it just goes to show that coming at a brick wall from a different angle sometimes works.
Dorothy

Taken from same tree:-

James Austin
Spouse:- Margaret Ann Stoker
Children:-
Edward Austin M 28 Jun 1852 in [city], [parish], [county], England
Sarah Austin F 17 Jan 1855
Jane Austin F 6 Jun 1857
James Austin M 17 Aug 1859
William Austin M 16 Mar 1862
Mary Elizabeth Austin F 12 Oct 1865
John Austin M 8 Nov 1868
Ambrosine Austin F 1 Apr 1870
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Only other info given:-

James Austin
Died: 18 Jan 1879
Coal Mine

William Austin
Died: 7 Apr 1875
Derwent Pit

As there is lots of info about Edward and nothing on the rest of the family I would assume that it is a descendant of Edward that posted the info on that branch of the Austin tree.

The marriage mentioned above;-
Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%)
AUSTIN Edward Lanchester 10a 463
Bolam Jane Ann Lanchester 10a 463
Chambers Elizabeth Lanchester 10a 463
NATTRASS Matthew Lanchester 10a 463

If you buy the certificate you can confirm if it is the correct one as it will show fathers name and professions!

Margaret Ann Austin
Spouse:- Thomas James Fraser
Marriage: 3 Jan 1900 in Wesleyan Church, Christchurch, New Zealand

Children:-
Gladys Fraser F
Nellie Fraser F
Arnold Ernest Fraser M
George Fraser M
Bertal Donald Fraser M
Leslie Warren Fraser M 29 Dec 1901
Thomas William Fraser M 5 Dec 1902
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William Austin
Born: 23 Oct 1877
Lower Thames, Gateshead, [county], England
Died: Carvilla, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia
Spouse:- Mary Elizabeth Parmenter
Marriage: 21 Feb 1906 in Timaru, New Zealand

Children:-
?
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James Austin
Born: 17 Sep 1881
Devon Road, Sydenham, New Zealand
Died: 3 Aug 1970
Grove Road, Christchurch, New Zealand
...........................................................................

Sarah Austin
Born: 9 Feb 1884
Devon Road, Sydenham, New Zealand
Spouse:- Fredrick Charles Budd
Marriage: 11 Jul 1906 in Timaru, New Zealand

Children:-
Maise Budd F
Doreen Budd F
John Budd M
Thelma May Budd F
Lillian May Budd F
Alfred Leslie Budd M 1906 in St Helens Sydenham, Christchurch
.............................................................................

George Edward Austin
Born: 10 Nov 1888
King, Sydenham Chch, New Zealand
Died: 29 Jan 1956
Christchurch, New Zealand
Spouse:- Ida Moss
Born:
Died: 11 Feb 1977 in Christchurch, New Zealand
Marriage: 4 Mar 1912 in Temuka, South, Canterbury, New Zealand

Children:-
Living Austin M
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Ada Florence Austin
Born: 17 Jun 1894
South Malvern, Horarata, New Zealand
Died: 8 Jul 1965
Christchurch, New Zealand
Spouse 1
Bertal Irvine
Born: South Timaru, New Zealand
Died: 18 Jul 1916
Marriage: 1911

Children:-
Bertal Lewis Irvine M 5 Jul 1912 in South St, Timaru, New Zealand
Oliver Ronald Irvine M 23 Oct 1913 in South St, Timaru, New Zealand

Spouse 2
Fredrick Edward Ockwell
Born: 5 Oct 1896 in Dunedin, New Zealand
Died: 1966
Marriage: 27 Jun 1917 in Registrars Office Christchurch, New Zealand

Children:-
Living Ockwell F
Living Ockwell F
Living Ockwell F
Living Ockwell F
Living Ockwell M
Living Ockwell M
Living Ockwell M
Living Ockwell F
Living Ockwell F
Fredrick Edward Ockwell M 29 Nov 1917 in Allen, Christchurch, New Zealand
Wilfred James Ockwell M 21 Dec 1918
Trevor Raymond Ockwell M 18 Feb 1928 in Racecourse Road, Nth Beach Christchurch, New Zealand

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Maybe you could contact the person who put this on the site as it does look like the same family.

Found this on ancestry.co.uk:-

Edward Austin
Born: 28 Jun 1852
[city], [parish], [county], England
Died: 1914
Timaru, New Zealand

father:- James Austin
mother:- Margaret Ann Stoker

Spouse Elizabeth Chambers
Born: King, Sydenham, Chch, New Zealand
Died:

Marriage: 1875 in Leadgate, [parish], Durham, England

Children Sex Birth
Margaret Ann Austin F 17 May 1876 in Bradley, [parish], Durham, England
William Austin M 23 Oct 1877 in Lower Thames, Gateshead, [county], England
James Austin M 17 Sep 1881 in Devon Road, Sydenham, New Zealand
Sarah Austin F 9 Feb 1884 in Devon Road, Sydenham, New Zealand
George Edward Austin M 10 Nov 1888 in King, Sydenham Chch, New Zealand
Ada Florence Austin F 17 Jun 1894 in South Malvern, Horarata, New Zealand

There looks to be some mistake with the birth place for Elizabeth Chambers. I think it should be place of death as I can't see her being born in New Zealand and marrying in County Durham.

Yep, sure does, the died young bit may have been to save face!!!
I know my grandfather was in NZ before he came to Australia, he married in Sydney using the spelling of his name as Chater. If I can get a grip on the Austins and when and who went to NZ I may be able to find Jane with them.

Sounds as though Ralph got cold feet and ran away.
Or maybe Jane just didn't want to go to America.

Hi Catherine and Lorraine,
Jane and Ralphs son William Austin Chaytor was my grandfather. I have had no luck with tracking down Ralph so thought I would go the other way and follow Janes family.
I am looking for what happened to Ralph, Jane and their son William between Williams birth in England in 1877 and his marriage in Australia in 1905. Supposedly Ralph died youngish and Jane remarried, but where and to who is a mystery, family stories say a school teacher or headmaster maybe in NZ with a name that may have been something like Dalziel and my grandfather ran away to sea as he didn`t get on with his stepfather.
I have a Ralph Chatters age 22 sailing to America as steerage passenger on the CITY OF CHESTER, departed Liverpool and Queenstown 15/4/1877 ETA America 30/4/1877, this was the day after William was born and it fits as he was born at the Bradley brick works and his birth was registered by his mother only, she was living with her parents. Ralph had two older brothers William and John Chaytor living in Steubenville Ohio at the time. John may have been manager of a local coal mine. We don`t know if Jane joined him there or if Ralph died shortly after arrival in America and Jane went to NZ with her family.
Big mystery so I am trying to work away at the Austin line.
Thanks for the help.
Dot

No, can't find a death.
If you buy the certificate then you will be able to tell if it is him or not.

Are you looking for info before 1851?


If you think Edward married someone called Laura, then this could be the marrriage:-
Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%)
AUSTIN Edward Sunderland 10a 740
CHALMERS Laura Septima Sunderland 10a 740

If he arrived as a "single", then I'll look for a death for Laura.

Can't find a death for Ralph Chaytor but this seems to be the birth of William:-

Births Jun 1877 (>99%)
CHAYTOR William Austin Lanchester 10a 3__

Thanks guys, that was fast.
Dot

here is Edwards death in 1914.
cannot find any other buried there



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Record Details
Reference 4950
Surname AUSTIN
Forenames EDWARD
Occupation
Address


Age at Death 62 (Years )
Date of Death
Date of Interment 03/Nov/1914
Cemetery Timaru Cemetery
Section GENERAL
Block G
Plot 350
Beam
New Row 5
New Plot 350
Clergy Name
Funeral Director

regards, lorraine

Oh no, false alarm. Margaret's middles name was Ann:-
Marriages Sep 1849 (>99%)
Austin James Chester le St. 24 33
Stokoe Margaret Ann Chester le S 24 33
Stokoe Margaret Anne Chester Le St 24 33


Possible marriage for Jane:-

Surname Forename(s) Year District
92% CHAYTOR Ralph 1875 Durham Northern
92% AUSTIN Jane 1875 Durham Northern

Looks like James was married twice:-

1851
Name: James Austin
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Wortley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds
Town: Wortley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Occupation: Brick Maker

Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Hunslet
Sub registration district: Wortley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Austin 19 - Wife born: Jarrow, Northumberland
(Spinner Flax)
James Austin 27

Hi Dorothy, I checked the passenger list for the Orari, 26/7/1879 and Edward arrived as a single man.

Colonial Nominated Single Men
Austin Edward 25 Durham Agricultural Labourer

will keep checking indexes for further info.
kind regards, Lorraine in sunny Mackay Qld

1871:-

Name: James Austin
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Wortley
Civil Parish: Medomsley
Ecclesiastical parish: Medomsley
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Occupation: Brick Moulder

Registration district: Durham
Sub registration district: Lanchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members:
Name Age
Ambrosine Austin 1- daughter born: Medomsley, Durham
Edward Austin 18
James Austin 49
James Austin 11
Jane Austin 12
John Austin 3 - son born: Medomsley, Durham
Margaret Austin 41
Mary E Austin 5 - daughter born: Medomsley, Durham
Sarah Austin 15
William Austin 8 - son born: Elland, Yorkshire

The family in 1861:-

Edward Austin abt 1853 Wortley, Yorkshire, England Son Elland With Greetland, Yorkshire
James Austin abt 1825 Wortley, Yorkshire, England Head Elland With Greetland, Yorkshire
(Brick Maker)
James Austin abt 1860 Sunderland, Durham, England Son Elland With Greetland, Yorkshire
Jane Austin abt 1858 Daneshole, Northumberland, England Daughter Elland With Greetland, Yorkshire
Margaret Austin abt 1830 Jarrow, Northumberland, England Wife Elland With Greetland, Yorkshire
Sarah Austin abt 1855 Felling, Durham, England Daughter Elland With Greetland, Yorkshire

Trying to trace this line of Austins, Edward Austin b 1853 Wortley Yorkshire died 1914 Timaru New Zealand, arrived Littleton 26/7/1879 on the ORARI, sailed from Plymouth 25/4/1879, wife may have been Laura.
Edwards uncles and aunt John Austin b 1835 Yorkshire died 1910 Christchurch NZ, Thomas Austin b 1838 Yorkshire died 1901 Petane Hastings NZ, William Austin b 1839 Yorkshire died 1916 Melbourne Australia, Maria Austin b 1827 died 1912 Kaiapoi NZ.
Edwards parents or some siblings may have also migrated to NZ as I can find no trace of any of their deaths in England. Parents were James Austin and Margaret Stokoe m September 1849 at Chester Le St and siblings were Sarah 1855 Durham, Jane 1858 Northumberland, James 1859 and William 1862 both died as teenagers in mining accidents, Mary 1866 Durham, John 1868 Durham and Ambrosine 1870 Durham. Edwards sister Jane may have been a widow, surname Chaytor with a young son, William, or may have remarried so surname unknown.
I live a long way from the nearest research center so visits can be few and far between.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Dot