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Hi Vera,
Could be ,right age but don't recognise the name and as far as I know there is no connection with Manchester.
KInd Regards
Mary

Hi Mary,
I found this James ???? 1851
James Fowler
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub registration district: Market Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 1f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 151
Household Members: Name Age


James Fowler 3
Ann Osbinson 25
Ann Osbinson 66
Ellen Osbinson 5
Hannah Osbinson 1
Thomas Osbinson 30 occupation rail clerk

I wonder if it suppose to be Robinson, although on the image it is Osbinson.

Regards Vera

Thanks Mary, I got your pm.

Regards Vera

Marriage certificate of Richard and Sarah and death certificate of Robert arrived Saturday.

Robert died Oct 10th 1857 in Brownlow Hill Workhouse Liverpool aged 45 occupation carman.
So I think this is the right one.

I am sorry to have confused everyone but on the cert it says Richard was a batchelor.
With James Taylor being 22 in 1871 and therefore born around 1849 and the marriage
was 1857 I wrongly assumed that James was a child from Richards previous marriage.

The details on the cert are December 11th 1857 Liverpool
Richard Taylor full age Batchelor, Labourer, Father James Taylor ,Gunsmith.

Sarah Fowler full age Widow ,Father Richard Hartley,Fisherman.

Both residence at time of marriage is Lime Street.
Witnesses Nicholas Burns and Martha Davies.

On the 1851 census there should be
Sarah fowler b 1817
Sarah Fowler daughter b1839
Robert Fowler son b1842
and also this James b1849/52 according to census if this is Sarah's son.
If Sarah had left husband Robert she might have been living with Richard Taylor in 1851
if James was their child.

I have searched for them under the name Taylor and looked for James Taylor,
Richard's father a gunsmith to see if I could find Richard before his marriage but couldn't find anything.

Any help or other suggestions would be very grateful.

Regards Mary

Hi Vera
Thank you so much for that info. I definitely think that is him. Right age and on his son's 2 marriage certs he is down as coachman and cardriver.My aim now is to try and find Sarah and daughter on 1851 and to find out who was Robert's parents or his birth/christening.
I have found info on Sarah her parents and siblings but cann't find anything about Robert. It has taken me a few years to get this far with the Fowlers and I have nearly given up many times.When I find out about Robert that will be my goal and I may give up then.
I really appreciate all the help and time you have given me. It is very much appreciated.
Regards Mary

Hi Mary,
Think I have found Robert ...but not family

1851
Robert Fowler
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 182
Household Members: Name Age
James Carefal 73
John Carefal 26
William Cray 35
Catherine Cunninghan 40
Elizabeth Delaney 80
Robert Fowler 41 Cab Driver
William McArmitt 26
William S Train 31


Regards Vera

It's the Fowler family who I am descended from and I thought Sarah Fowler and her Daughter Sarah who was born 1839 had died as I could not find them on the 1851 Census. I was thrilled to find the marriage to know she was still alive.
Regards Mary

Hi Vera,
Sorry I didn't know anything about Richard till I found the marriage to Sarah Fowler nee Hartley in 1857. Don't know about his first wife at all.
Regards Mary

Hi Mary,
What was Richards first wife full name ?

Regards Vera

Hi ,
Thank you Vera,Margaret and Sue for your time and help. I will carry on searching to see if I can find Richard and son in 1851 before he married Sarah.
Regards Mary

Thanks Vera.......Richard's occupation on the marriage cert will help for sure.

What a great find Sue C.....looks like you have found them....different accents and the enumerator could have misheard Taylor....Taller

Regards Vera

Hi Sue,
Sorry I Don't know anything about Richard. I have only just sent off for his marriage certificate.
Regards Mary

I wonder??
These are definitely Taller on the image, but I notice that in 1871 Sarah worked in a market, and that ties in with this 1861.

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TALLER, Richard Head Married M 40 1821 Dock Porter
Liverpool
TALLER, Sarah Wife F 41 1820 Keeps Fish Stall Market
Liverpool
TALLER, Sarah Daughter Single F 19 1842
Liverpool
TALLER, James Son M 9 1852 Scholar
Liverpool




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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
2685 Folio:
97 Page:
44

Registration District:
Liverpool Sub District:
6 Mount Pleasant EnumerationDistrict:
26G Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Davids

Civil Parish:
Liverpool Municipal Borough:
Liverpool Address:
2 Court 5th House, Edward Street, Liverpool County:
Lancashire


Do you know what Richard's occupation was?

Hi Margaret,
Yes thanks I found that one on Lancashire BMD
Regards Mary

Hi Vera
I appreciate you looking. I think you might have tried to help me before when I was looking for Sarah when her name was Fowler ,1st marriage married to Robert. Did not find her then in 1851 . So thrilled to find her 2nd marriage and she's hiding from me again!
Regards Mary

Do you have the marriage? It's from BVRI:

TAYLOR, James Marriage
Wife: Elizabeth QUIRK
Marriage Date: 26 Sep 1870 Recorded in: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Collection: St Silas
Husband's Father: Richard TAYLOR
Wife's Father: Thomas QUIRK
Source: FHL Film 1545996 Dates: 1868 - 1906

Hi Mary,
As you have guessed I am having trouble too. :-)

Regards Vera

Hi Vera
I spotted that too a few days ago but Didn't know if it was him. Still couldn't find Richard and Sarah. I am having a lot of trouble with Sarah as I don't have her on any other census only the 1841.
Regards Mary

1861
Found this James on the 1861....on the image he is Elizabeths nephew not stepson....

James Taylor
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Stepson
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Melling
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub registration district: Bickerstaffe
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 99
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Stock 38
Mary Stock 14
James Taylor 12


Regards Vera