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Thank you Jim that is a great help.....hope this fits my puzzle.....Ciao Joanie

ps..jim the lady witness on marriage cert - her maiden name was Power - so i cud be conection......J

i found them 1891 looks like Richard is staying as lodger with another family...wonder if they fell out?
Thanks everyone for ur kind help......i hope i am on right road...will take it wrong age on cert and as they all maked with 'X' they may not have read it propely......Ciao Joanie

1861 England Census
about Martin Sculley
Name: Martin Sculley
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Household Members: Name Age
Patrick Abraham 19
Caroline Besbrown 22
Edward Besbrown 45
Mary Besbrown 46
Mary Power 80
Catherine Sculley 30
Catherine Sculley 12
James Sculley 8
John Sculley 10
Martin Sculley 34 dock labourer
Martin Sculley 1
Mary Sculley 14
Sarah Sculley 6

But that age works in with all the censuses. So I would take it as correct. Maybe the age on the marriage certificate was wrongly copied from the vicars notes to the certificate. Or, maybe, because Catherine would have been under 21 when she married, she exaggerated - hugely!

i have them on 1881 census
christina 10
henry 08
margaret 4
richard 2
and i know Martha was born in 1884...that is our line but ages of :
Richard 35
Catherine 30....
so does not work out right...her age....aaarrrrr

Joanie, who were their children? You can then check them on a later census.

wow....this would fit in with marriage cert..Selina and why i cud not find them before marriage, i checked witnesses and the woman lived in Liverpool at some point and came from Ireland...the man was from Bolton...so a link there.....thank u Selina i think we may be on right track.......

another wow...christina..............miss spelt name hey !..thank u too....

Ciao Joanie

There's these:

1851 census - Liverpool

Martin Schuley - head - 27 - Ireland
Catherine Schuley - wife - 27 - Ireland
Mary Schuley - dau - 4 - Liverpool
Catherine Schuley - dau - 2 - Liverpool
John Schuley - son - 3 mons. - Liverpool

This is a submitted record from the IGI (not copied from parish records) so not guaranteed to be accurate.


CATHERINE ELIZABETH SCULLY
Birth: 1827 , Laoighis, Ireland
Death: 06 MAY 1924

: Father: MARTIN SCULLY
Mother: ELIZABETH

Sorry Martin..his pa was henry.....Joanie

Who is her dad? Says Henry on the first post, but after you say Martin? I'm confused

Hi Lass, sorry delay i have been looking for her, that means she wud be 18 at time of marriage but it defo says 30 years and its a photo copy of original doc not copied.....looks like i will have to get copy of birth cert to make sure and her pa is Martin not too common...thanks for ur kind help....Joanie

In 1871 she's 21
In 1881 she's 30 so maybe......
Catherine Scally born Dec quarter of 1850, Liverpool
Vol 20 Page 393

yes they did, its before her marriage that i thought i might find her age !....thanks Christina.....Joanie

will try to look into that the Irish connection....

This is the only Richard Parr and Catherine from Liverpool that I can find on the 1871 census. Is this them? Did they have a daughter named Christina? If so, the ages are even more out!

1871 - Liverpool - 48, Bostock Street

Richard Parr - head - 27 - Bott.maker - Liverpool
Catherine Parr - wife - 21 - Liverpool
Christina Parr - dau - 3 mons. - Liverpool

Scully is an Irish name. Is it possible she was born there?

but 7 yrs older than her man....and as i cannot find her being 7 yrs older on births...strange ..and unable to find her on census before her marriage...doing my head in Aaaarrrr....thanks Joanie

never got birth certs looked at births for 10yrs and this only one....

No I dont think you are doing anything wrong...it is notoriously difficult to determine exact ages and it wasnt uncommon to find differences on all manner of documents...
Did you get the info.from Birth Certs.? If so then the address of where Catherine was born should be on that .

This is driving me mad.....

I have always thought Catherine Scully was b.1845 Liverpool,got info from births....

Her hubby Richard Parr was born 1845 west derby = Liverpool.

I have just got marriage cert and it says : marriage June 1868..
She is age 30yrs - he is 23 yrs...

Her pa is Henry Scully and i cannot find them on any census before she got married to check age, maybe i am doing something wrong....any help please.....Joanie