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I think you have hit the nail on the head, conformation is required but I think that your explanation fits very well.

My Father needs to find the letter to confirm who it was addressed to, this is in boxes as they moved recently and have not unpacked this stuff, the letter content was uninformative. I think that it makes sense as Charles could not be traced on birth records and I know he was born in 1907 but in march, would the birth have been recorded latter on?

Thank you once again, I would never have been able to solve this mystery as fast as you both. Why dont they have records for 1881, that would have been helpfull, i have found that another site for ancestry is very good has all millertry records of my GGF Liddard over 12 images of letters, why don't this site?

I think you have hit the nail on the head, conformation is required but I think that your explanation fits very well.

My Father needs to find the letter to confirm who it was addressed to, this is in boxes as they moved recently and have not unpacked this stuff, the letter content was uninformative. I think that it makes sense as Charles could not be traced on birth records and I know he was born in 1907 but in march, would the birth have been recorded latter on?

Thank you once again, I would never have been able to solve this mystery as fast as you both. Why dont they have records for 1881, that would have been helpfull, i have found that ancestry.com is very good has all millertry records of my GGF Liddard over 12 images of letters, why don't this site?

He more than likely does !!

Wont be able to prove any untill he does !!

Mavis

Mavis
I gave all this Foreman/Bolton information on the thread earlier and Matthew wasnt sure about

I think he needs to send for some certs to sort it out dont you?

This may be the last bit of puzzle !!!!

Charles Henry Foreman
June Q 1907 Chelmsford 4a 920

The marriage is the Eliza Bloomfield and Rodney
Foreman one 1906

Mavis

Sorry made a bloomer this is a marriage not a birth SORRY
Mavis

I think you will find that Hamilton Foreman is the son of Editha Aldred and Eli Bolton but was reg. as a Foreman because it was mothers maiden name and she was'nt married to the father Eli Bolton !
she married William Aldred Dec 1870 Blything Nfk
Hamilton must have realized later in life that he was reg. as Foreman and wanted to be the same as his father Bolton.
Editha and Eli did marry 1883/84

Does this sort it out for you ??

Hepzibah is Editha's sister


Mavis

I had these Hassan, Rowland, Rodney Bolton but did not know if they were a match, this Forman and the girl with the funny name most confusing, I think you have something here, but not sure what, any Ideas.

PS, Well done i am still confused mind but many thanks, it just got even more confusing, did my GGF have two wife's at same time? I was telling my mother about what you all had come up with and she is impressed with all the hard work you have put in to this.

Hi Mavis
just to say i think that this is right i was too looking at that early this morning.

regards
Tracy

Right pin your ears back, I think I have cracked it !!!

Death
Hamilton R J Bolton 82y
June Q 1962 Colchester 4a 497
Eliza Bolton
birthdate 1 Jan1883 Mar Q 1971 Colchester 4a 1582

Birth
Hamilton Rodney J Foreman
Dec Q 1878 Depwade [Nfk] 4b 233
Eliza Bloomfield
Mar Q 1883 Depwade 4b 256

1881 census 1881 Norfolk

Eli Bolton 23y AgLab Suffolk Cratfield
Editha Aldred Mar. 26y housekeeper Nfk Scole
Hamilton Rodney Aldred 2y Norfolk Scole
Hepzibah Foreman 18yLaundress " "

1891 Norfolk

Eli Bolton mar 34y AG Lab Suff Cratfield
Editha Bolton mar 39y Norfolk Scole
Rodney Foreman 10/12 y Norfolk Scole
Rowland Foreman 9y Norfolk Scole
Hassan Bolton 4y Norfolk Scole

Quite a mix of surnames which may explain why the change to Bolton. I hav'nt looked for any marriages Aldred/ Foreman/ Bolton

1891 Norfolk indexed as Blomfield

Henry Bloomfield 39y Ag Lab Nfk Billingford
Ann " 36y Nfk Thorpe Abbots
Rose " 14y Nfk "
John " 13y Nfk "
Ellen " 11y Nfk "
Eliza " 8y Nfk "
Alfred " 6y Nfk "
Seymour " 2y Nfk Billingford
Thirza " 2mths Nfk "

How does all this sound ok !!!

Mavis

Charles Henry Bolton my GF was killed on the A127 (Arterial Road) in 1955 in Rochford district. Hit and run , he was hit up the backside of his motorcycle on his way to work from Bowers Gifford to Southend-on-sea (EKCO), which is strange as not many cars on the road in 1955. Apparently you could lay in the road for 3 hours with out getting run over....! and at 7.30am well, need less to say to be hit from the rear at such speed by a car was a very unlucky indecent, police appealed for witness on the BBC, but no one come forward. he was found alive by a Mr Kenneth Whitcombe of Hart road Thundersley, but died from major wounds when being lifted on to the ambulance.

The incident seem rather strange to his brother Lawrence Bolton whom came to have a look at the incident site, and was not happy with the accident view, my nan Susan Liddard believed he was murdered. But we cant find good reason why?

He also worked at Elgin's Factory on Canvey island which was part of the ECKO group, in 1953 at the time of the flood he took my father across to Elgin flood damaged factory on a Army amphibious vehicle called a "DUCK". no one else only my father his father and soliders on this trip Canvey was deserted.

Howard Gerald Bolton. Private 6020683, 5th Battalion, Suffolk Regiment. Died during the surrender of Singapore 15th February 1942. Aged 26. Born and resident Essex. Son of Mr. and Mrs. H. R. J. Bolton, of Kirby Cross, Essex. Buried in KRANJI WAR CEMETERY, Kranji, Singapore. Plot 12. Row A. Grave 12.

http://www.petrowilliamus.co.uk/kranji/plan/plan.htm

This is my great grandfathers sons memorial and my GGF is listed here as Mr H R J Bolton he was known to my mother and father as Jessie, and to my fathers cousin as Charles, he is listed on my GF wedding cert as Charles a mechanic. I spoke to my dads cousin has recently found confirmation of GGF name as Rodney Jessie Hamilton Bolton. Charlse My GF married Susan Liddard, My GGF was married to Eliza Bloomfield. I know that her name was from my mother and father and fathers cousin, I have tried to find my GGF death reference but cant find it either. there is a problem with a referance to my GF birth in the records, his DOB was 9/3/1907 which we have found on his war ID, My GF Charles died on 10/9/1955 which I have seen a reference to his death in the index's, he is listed as C H Bolton.

Oh hell this is hard and i appreciate the efferts of you all. thank you again.

Do you know what Charles [?] full name is do you know who he
married, when he Married was it as Bolton ?
I have been through the whole index from 1919/1983 looking for a Rodney Jessie Hamilton Bolton death
not 1 Rodney J H Bolton any where , could the names still be in the wrong order ?
Does any one have any idea when Rodney or Charles died ???

Mavis

yes there was a letter addressed to Charles about his son from a solicitors, we are thinking he may have been married before or not. The letter does mention dee poll, but in English law you can call your self what ever you want and not record it.

Just reading through again.
Do you think Charles Bolton had a son before he married and thats why nobody knew about him?. Later the son wanted to change his name to Bolton by deed pole
.
There have been threads on GR asking how to find out about deed pole info.
Go onto tips board and where it says search box for that board put deed pole and they come up

Rodney jesse Hamilton Bolton is my great grand fathers name he did marry a Bloomfield as the birth cert confirms of his son Howard and Lawrence, cant find birth cert of Charles Bolton his eldest son whom received the letter about his son (a potential uncle of mine) having had his name changed to Bolton.

Not sure if that is the right reference for the marriage cert you have, thanks for the information so far.

R H Boulton is not a link for sure.

Not sure if this helps.But if there was a name change by deed poll.
birth
Hamlinton Rodney J Foreman 1878 dec qt Depwade Norfolk,Suffolk. gro ref 4b 233

Rodney Hamilton Boulton 1907 sept qt Kingston Middlesex,Surrey gro ref 2a 421

There is this marriage.
Eliza Bloomfield married 1906 mar qt Tendring Essex. Other name on the page Rodney Foreman gro ref 4a 758


You really need to get Charles marriage cert to confirm his fathers name( or the one he was using) and his occupation. That way it will be easier to trace him on the census

Hi, HJR is actually Rodney Jessie Hamilton Bolton. Been having difficulty with birth his birth day, do not have any documents relating to my grandfather or his parents and the next line. On his sons war mem the initials are the wrong way around. Only information that my dads cousin has on his grandfather, he found a document with his correct name, he always thought he was called Charles. How bad it is finding family.

I have another problum, my grandfather received a letter from solicitor regrading the changing of his sons name to BOLTON by deed poll, the solicitor is no longer in local directories. This came as a complete surprise to my father and remaining family as they thought there was only two brothers.

Ps thank you for
you help to date.

medal cards info. 1st WW

HWJ Bolton in ASC Essex Pte 4702 / 45537
joined 1915 to faded to read

Mavis

There is a posability that H R J and Eliza are not married !!

An Eliza Bloomfield = Frank Crisp or Rodney Foreman the other lady was Margaret Cattermole

Mar Q 1906 Tendring 4a 758

a Charles Henry Crisp born
Sep Q 1908 Lexden 4a 648
no Charles Foreman

No marriage for Crisp / Bolton before 1916

you need to get one of the birth certs to find out what Hrj stands for ??
then you should find his birth.

Mavis