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I hope you check this out, David.

I think there's a really good chance, given the names and places and dates, that this is your Albert.

Can you tell us what your Albert's father's occupation was, on Albert's marriage certificate? We can check that against James Smith's and Robert Tebbutt's occupations.

Very very common, Lorraine! My grx3 grandmother in one family had a child before marriage under her own surname -- but there's a father named (whom I've never been able to locate).

The child is with her grandparents under that surname in her first census, but with her mother and stepfather in the next, under his surname, and goes on to marry under that surname. I keep wondering whether I'll meet descendants and have to tell them that while we're both Kennys, they ain't Campions. ;)

Then there were people like my gr-grfather Littler (who apparently dallied with the Ku Klux Klan briefly here in Canada). He was younger than my gr-grmother and married her when she had a 4-year-old (by her employer or his son, where she was a housemaid, as we understand it -- the surname being the girl's middle name). The girl never got to use her stepfather's surname, wasn't included in family photos, never married and was literally pathologically shy, although a doting aunt to my mum's family and then me and my eldest boy cousin before she died.

And they talk about wicked stepmothers ...

Hmm, well, my theory is internally 100% correct -- as it relates to those people!

Whether they're your people, that's another question.


1901

Name: Albert Smith
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: New Sleaford
Ecclesiastical parish: New Sleaford St Denys
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Sleaford
Sub registration district: Sleaford
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 82

Albert Smith 13
Ellen Tebbutt 5
Joseph Tebbutt 7
Maud Tebbutt 3
Robert Tebbutt 40
Rosa Tebbutt 10
Sarah Tebbutt 43


I don't think you've said what occupation was stated for your Albert Tebbutt's father James on Albert's marriage certificate.

In 1901, Robert Tebbutt was a bricklayer.

In 1881, James Smith was an agricultural labourer.

my grandmother was born under her mothers maiden name as she was illegitimate but used her fathers name all her life including her marriage cert, took me years to find her birth entry

so i would take janeys advice

lorraine

Illegitimate -- or the child of his mother's first marriage, which is what he would be if the people I have fixated on were yours. ;)

In that case he would have been born Albert Smith, but with his father dying soon after his birth and his mother remarrying before long, he was just reared as a Tebbutt -- by this theory, which is one of probably many possible theories!

I'd be very tempted to get that Albert Smith 1887 Sleaford birth certificate if I were you.

Hello Janey thankyou very much for your interest and help.I can see where your coming from even though it sounds very complicated.I`m beginning to suspect maybe Albert was illigitimate.Your theory needs further investigate and I`ll have a look at it.Kindest regards Carol.

Here's a birth to match that Albert Tebbutt:


Births Jun 1887
Smith Albert Sleaford 7a 455


Sleaford is about 30 miles east of Nottingham?

So was Sarah Ann Smith Tebbutt the Sarah A. Smith married to James in the 1881?

That could explain the father's name on Albert's birth certificate.


Name: Sarah A. Smith
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Threekingham, Lincoln, England

Civil Parish: Sleaford
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address: No 4 William Sq
Occupation: Agricultural Laborer Wife

Registration district: Sleaford
Sub registration district: Sleaford
ED, institution, or vessel: 7

James Smith 23
James Smith
Sarah A. Smith 22


They aren't in the 1891, so one suspects so.

She could also have been this Sarah Anne, however:


Name: Sarah Anne Smith
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Sleaford, Lincoln, England

Civil Parish: New Sealford
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

So ... I always suspect a surname change as a result of a mother's marriage or remarriage.


Here's an interesting Albert:

Name: Albert Tebbutt
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert Samuel
Mother's Name: Sarah Berry
-- edit after viewing image -- for pity's sake, it says "Sarah Ann"
Gender: Male
Where born: Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Sleaford
Ecclesiastical parish: Sleaford
Town: Sleaford
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Sleaford
Sub registration district: Sleaford
ED, institution, or vessel: 4

Albert Tebbutt 4
Robert Samuel Tebbutt 52
Rose Lydia Tebbutt 0
Sarah Berry Tebbutt 34


But the marriage seems to have been after the birth:

Marriages Jun 1889
Smith Sarah Ann Sleaford 7a 882
TEBBUTT Robert Samuel Sleaford 7a 882


That Albert looks like a child of hers before marriage, or in a first marriage. No Albert Tebbutt was born in that vicinity in that period.

The father's name given on the marriage certificate was then commonly a combination of the stepfather's surname (if that's the surname the child was using) and the real father or grandfather's given name.



Not saying this is your Albert -- that would be a long shot. Just an example of a common situation that could be the cause of your problem. ;)

The marriage, for ref:


Name: Albert William Tebbutt + Jane Bullivant
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Nottingham
County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 819

Hello Victor Lindsey and Lorraine many thanks for your help in trying to trace my grandfather Albert Tebbutt I will do more research into William Albert Tebbutt born in Nantwich.But yes Lorraine managed to prove that the Albert born in Earls Barton was not my granddad so he remains a mystery to me.Thankyou once again for your help,Kindest regards Carol

i would get the bullivant childrens birth certs and check fathers name

as on all my grandmothers sibling certs my g grandmother has used different names eg ellen, helen and even eleanor.

her name was ellen but a bit confusing he may have used his middle name as his 1st name

this is the children born to maud and albert

Albert Tebbutt 1920 Oct-Nov-Dec Church Wellingborough Bedfordshire, Northamptonshire

John R Tebbutt 1916 Jan-Feb-Mar Church Wellingborough Bedfordshire, Northamptonshire

Mabel A Tebbutt 1917 Jul-Aug-Sep Church Wellingborough Bedfordshire, Northamptonshire

and this is the children born your albert and jennie so i dont think he,s the right one


Albert W Tebbutt 1920 Jan-Feb-Mar Bullivant Nottingham Nottinghamshire

George H Tebbutt 1911 Jul-Aug-Sep Bullivant Nottingham Nottinghamshire

George M Tebbutt 1917 Jul-Aug-Sep Bullivant Nottingham Nottinghamshire

Joseph L Tebbutt 1914 Apr-May-Jun Bullivant Nottingham Nottinghamshire

hi david

dont know if you have this


British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
about Albert Tebbutt
Name: Albert Tebbutt
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Age at enlistment: 27
Birth Parish: Earls Barton
Birth County: Northants
Document Year: 1914
Regimental number: 16067
Number of Images: 7



document dated 1914
occupation labourer


next of kin mrs maud tebbutt

marriage details

maud mille church
place of marriage bozeat northhants
4th aug 1913

witnesses w church
florence ada jones


could he have been married before


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Maud E Church
Name: Maud E Church
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's Surname: Tebbutt
District: Wellingborough
County: Bedfordshire, Northamptonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 304

There is this one.

Name: William Albert L Tebbutt
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Nantwich
County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 340



Victor

Maybe the L in his name is for LEWIS ???

There is this one.

Name: William Albert L Tebbutt
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Nantwich
County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 340



Victor

I`m trying to find my grandfather Albert Tebbutt born c1888 but I don`t know where.I have his marriage certificate which confirms his age and his middle name was William.He married Jennie Bullivant in Nottingham.Alberts fathers name on the marriage certificate was James.Having checked the census records I appear to be stuck.I can`t link a James Tebbutt with an Albert.On the census of 1891 there is an Albert Tebbutt[Nephew] living in Northamptonshire with Abraham Lewis born Wilby 1857 and Ann Lewis born 1860 in Bozeat.It states on this census that Albert was born c1888 in Earls Barton.Can anyone tell me the link between Albert and the Lewis family as I`ve failed to find one.This has to be my last try as I don`t know where else to go.Carol.