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Hi, I'm trying to locate my Great Grandmother Sarah Jones (married Harrison) on the 1871 & 81 census. I believe she died shortly after the birth of her only child Mary Esther Harrison in 1889 in Droylsden, Lancashire, so won't be on any other census.

I have her marriage certificate and have located her husband living with his relatives and their daughter living separately with his relatives, but no sign of Sarah Jones his wife. I believe she lived in as a servant somewhere in and around Droylsden, which matches the marriage certificate, and that she never actually lived with her husband and child.

Marriage Certificate:
18 April1888
The Independent Chapel, Droylsden
Registration: Ashton Under Lyne
Benjamin Harrison (age 21), Joiner, 33 High Street Droylsden; father James Harrison deceased, Joiner.
Sarah Jones (age 21), Domestic Servant, 342 Market Street Droylsden; father George Jones, Joiner.

If you could help me find any info (census, birth) on both Sarah Jones (married Harrison), or her father George Jones then I will JUMP UP AND DOWN MOST EXCITED AND GRATEFUL.

I have been told that originally Sarah was from Wales, but finding a Jones in Wales, well, aaaaaaaaargh.

I really appreciate any help, I'm just sooooooooo stuck.
Thanks
Ruth

Sorry I am not going to be much help, but one thing does strike me - her father, husband and father in law were all joiners. I wonder if there is a connection through her father's work?

hi
have just gone through the first 500 Sarah Jones in the 1871 census for Wales, only found one with a father called George
GEORGE JONES AGE 55
HANNAH JONES AGE 41
SARAH JONES AGE 5
Sarah was born in Llanegwad, Carmarthenshire, Wales.
census was in the town of Cilmarch and Iscord.
Her birth cert. would give mothers name, any luck there?

I wonder whether this might be your Sarah in 1881:


Name: Sarah Jones
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Step Daughter
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashton, Lancashire, England

Name: Ann Glazebrooke
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edward
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Ashton Under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Park Bridge
Occupation: Weaver Cotton

Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub registration district: Knott Lanes
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Ann Glazebrooke 43
Edward Glazebrooke 39
Sarah Jones 15



Marriages Jun 1871
Glazebrook Edward Ashton 8d 873
Jones Ann Ashton 8d 873

Witnesses on marriage cert please??

Dea x

Just following my possible Sarah Jones, this is 1871:


Name: Sarah Jones
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ashton Under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: Bardsley
Town: Alt Hill
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub registration district: Knott Lanes
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 17

Ann Jones 30 - widow, cotton weaver
Sarah Jones 5


It's always possible that Ann was in fact unmarried. Sarah's father could have been George, but not George Jones.


In 1861 there is this George Jones in the vicinity:

Name: George Jones
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: North Wales

Civil Parish: Ashton Under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: Bardsley Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Occupation: Smith's Lab. (Iron Man?)

Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub registration district: Knott Lanes
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Great minds, Brenda. ;)

That's the one I also traced back from the one I was looking at in 1881, after mother Ann (re)married to Glazebrook.

The Jones-Glazebrook marriage certificate would tell whether Ann had been previously married.

Possible births for the Sarah that Brenda and I are looking at:


Births Jun 1866
JONES Sarah A Ashton L 8d 401
JONES Sarah J Ashton L 8d 441

Births Sep 1866
Jones Sarah H Ashton L. 8d 444

Births Mar 1865
JONES Sarah Jane Ashton 8d 398
Births Sep 1865
Jones Sarah Ann Ashton 8d 340
Jones Sarah Ann Ashton 8d 368

Births Dec 1865
Jones Sarah Ashton 8d 439

Thanks to everyone for their help so far, I appreciate it.

The Harrison family you have in 1891 at 342, Market Street, Droylsden as not, as far as I know, related in any way to Benjamin Harrison, his family, parents, siblings etc, were living at 21 High St, in 01 at Moorside St and in 81 at Dunkirk St.
Benjamin appears in 01 having remarried with children at 44 Ashton Hill Lane, all Droylsden.

The marriage certificate does state Sarah's father as George Jones, Joiner, and the witnesses are John Edward Dellow and Maria Dellow, who I have also found living in Mossley, Lancashire, but no sign of Sarah.

I still think she will have lived in with a family as a servant age 14/15 in the 81 census and originally came from Wales. My aunt says she remembers her coming from Carmarthenshire, denbighshire or Glamorgan, I think I have family from all those places but my aunt is quite old now and a bit forgetful. She is adamant though that sarah is Welsh.

Still, I can't even find Sarah and her father, as a joiner, in the 71 census. really frustrating.

i hope you can do better than me, in fact you have done already.

Thanks again
Ruth

Thanks Maureen, the 71 you have found could well be her thank you. I've not as yet come across Sarah's birth, although there are a few to choose from I think.

Moody, thanks.

Could I ask please how you look up an actual address to see who was living there at the time of a census? I thought you could only look for people, or am I being stupid? thanks

For finding people on other censuses at the same address --

I look on the page, and the previous and next pages if necessary, and try to find a stable-looking household. Middle aged couple, that sort of thing. People who won't have died or moved on by next census and/or might have been there previous census.

Then I look them up in the census I'm interested in, and check the page list and image (things can be in different order) and find the address I want.

This can take several tries, but you can usually find it eventually!

Here's the 1865/6 births from Cheshire BMD - note that only one (a Sarah Ann in 1865) is in the sub-RD of Knotts Lane, where Sarah + Ann are in 1871.


Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1865
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
JONES Sarah Ann Audenshaw Tameside AUD/25/31
JONES Sarah Ann Knott Lanes Tameside KNO/14/29
JONES Sarah Jane Audenshaw Tameside AUD/24/76
JONES Sarah Hartshead Tameside HAR/35/63


Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1866
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
JONES Sarah Ann Audenshaw Tameside AUD/26/13
JONES Sarah Hannah Hartshead Tameside HAR/36/60
JONES Sarah Jane Dukinfield Tameside DUK/60/39

One could order the b.cert from the local office, rather than the GRO.
In this case:
Superintendent Registrar
Tameside Register Office Town Hall
King Street
Dukinfield
Cheshire
SK16 4LA
UK
See: http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cheshirebmd/birthinfo.html#Q3

Re the Jones/Glazebrooke possibility !

Lancs Bmd often gives the name of first husband so:

These are the details:

Marriages Jun 1861
Jones John Barker Ashton 8d 779
Woodall Ann Ashton 8d 779
.......

Deaths Mar 1868
JONES John Barker age 28 Ashton 8d 321

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Ann then remarried:

Marriages Jun 1871
Glazebrook Edward Ashton 8d 873
Jones Ann Ashton 8d 873 (previously Woodall)

So, her first husband was John Barker Jones, not George I am afraid!

Dea x

I note that Moody Blue has found one on 1871 with the Woodall family, yet she is also down as being with her mother Ann??

Loks like this one may be the same one on the census twice (not unusual!), but it still doesn't tie her in with a father called George ?

Dea x

Thanks aghain everyone.

I'm currently taking up the search for Sarah's parents following the info maureen found earlier in this thread:

hi
have just gone through the first 500 Sarah Jones in the 1871 census for Wales, only found one with a father called George
GEORGE JONES AGE 55
HANNAH JONES AGE 41
SARAH JONES AGE 5
Sarah was born in Llanegwad, Carmarthenshire, Wales.
census was in the town of Cilmarch and Iscord.

Can anybody find Hannah (Hanah) and George Jones on other census please? in England or in particular Wales. I think sarah left home to go and work as a servant in Droylsden, Lancashire and her parents may have stayed in Wales.
Thanks
Ruth

Yeah, I wouldn't invest too much in a George Jones with daughter Sarah who didn't otherwise match!

Especially since, without a birth record, you can't even be sure her father really was George Jones. ;)