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So this is why Ellen was not on the 1881 census:-

Name: Ellen Goodman
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Erdington

Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 38 Cambridge St

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Broughton 34 born: Birmingham
Thomas Broughton 44 born: Birmingham
Thomas Broughton 5
Ellen Goodman 3


marriage for above couple:-
Marriages Dec 1871 (>99%)
Broughton Thomas Birmingham 6d 177
Cook Mary Ann Birmingham 6d 177

so Mary Ann was probably Elizabeth's sister.

If this is the correct one, then this looks like him in 1891:-

Bertha Orr abt 1886 Samdside, Westmorland, England Daughter West Broughton, Lancashire
Cordelia Orr abt 1873 Connty Galway, Ireland Daughter West Broughton, Lancashire
Earnest Orr abt 1878 Samdside, Westmorland, England Son West Broughton, Lancashire
Emily Orr abt 1881 Samdside, Westmorland, England Daughter West Broughton, Lancashire
Honore Orr abt 1884 Samdside, Westmorland, England Daughter West Broughton, Lancashire
James Orr abt 1876 Barrow, Lancashire, England Son West Broughton, Lancashire
Mary Orr abt 1846 North, Wales Wife West Broughton, Lancashire
Robert Orr abt 1875 Ulverston, Lancashire, England Son West Broughton, Lancashire
William Orr abt 1844 Comthy Galway, Ireland Head West Broughton, Lancashire
(Railway Station Master)


If this is the correct family then it looks as though the name is not French or Scottish, but Irish!!

You can confirm all this info by buying the marriage certificate. It will give both his and her fathers names and professions.

Catherine

Could be Robert in 1901:-

Name: Robert C Orr
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Ulverston, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Coventry
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Occupation: Railway Clerk

Registration district: Coventry
Sub registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 56
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert C Orr 26
George Osborn 69
Helen L Osborn 21
Sarah Osborn 67

There is this Elizabeth in 1891, but where does Ellen come from?:-

Elizabeth Goodman abt 1850 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Aston, Warwickshire
(Widow)
Ellen Goodman abt 1878 Erdington, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire
Lily Goodman abt 1886 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Daughter Aston, Warwickshire
Mary Pembleton abt 1851 Ayms Alsy, Staffordshire, England Sister Aston, Warwickshire
John Satchwell abt 1853 London, England Lodger Aston, Warwickshire


Mariage for Robert and Elizabeth:-

Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%)
GOODMAN Robert Birmingham 6d 273
COOK Elizabeth Birmingham 6d 273

so the Martha Cook in 1881 census us probably a relative, sister or niece of Elizabeth.

so this census may not be correct as the sister here is named Pembleton (unless it is her married name)

Possible death for Robert:-
Deaths Jun 1881
Goodman Robert Thomas 34 Aston 6d 204

but can't find death for Elizabeth?

Sister Elizabeth in 1891, so looks as though the parents died some time between 1881 and 1891:-

Name: Elizabeth M Goodman
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Erdington, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: Erdington
Town: Erdington
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Occupation: General Servant

Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Erdington
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert B Batty 39
Elizabeth M Goodman 17

Possibly brother Robert in 1891:-

Name: Robert Chas Goodman
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Erdington, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Harborne
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub registration district: Harborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert John Dodd 12
Florence A Dodd 14
Frank Dodd 2
Harry George Dodd 9
John Dodd 37
Susan Dodd 40
Robert Chas Goodman 15

Possibly in 1891:-


Name: Louise H Goodman
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Erdington, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: Erdington
Town: Erdington
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Occupation:

Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Erdington
ED, institution, or vessel: Sir Josiah Masons Orphanage

Possible for Louisa with parents and siblings

1881 England Census
about Louisa Goodman
Name: Louisa Goodman
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Erdington, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: Holly Cott. Holly L.
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Aston Manor
ED, institution, or vessel: 56
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Martha Cook 18
Elizabeth Goodman 31
Elizabeth Goodman 7
Louisa Goodman 1
Robert Goodman 34
Robert Goodman 5


Andy

Possible children,

Births Dec 1904 (>99%)
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ORR Doris Louisa Aston 6d 416
ORR Phyllis Ellen Aston 6d 416

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Births Dec 1908 (>99%)
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Orr Thomas Oakley Aston 6d 372

1901

ame: Louisa H Goodman
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Erdington, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Sutton Coldfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Boldmere St Michael
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image

Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Sutton Coldfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 210
Household Members:
Name Age
Alan S Davis 4
Louisa H Goodman 21
Nellie E Titmus 15
Isabel D Wilson 5
Isabel L Wilson 35
Percy B Wilson 34
Percy R Wilson 10 months

Hi,

Would you think Orr is a scottish name??

Name: Robert Orr
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Aston (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 608 (click to see others on page)


Name: Louisa Harriet Goodman
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Aston (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 608 (click to see others on page)

Christine

Marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
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Goodman Louisa Harriet Aston 6d 608
Orr Robert Aston 6d 608

Andy

Hi,

For info;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
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Bryant Emmanuel Aston 6d 608
Goodman Louisa Harriet Aston 6d 608
MALPASS Roseanna Aston 6d 608
Orr Robert Aston 6d 608

where?
where did they marry?

where were they born?

I am trying to find any info on Robert Orr married to Louisa Goodman
Robert 1875-1949
Louisa 1880-1935
Cheers