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Nerine, I will order this birth certificate to see if it throws any light on the subject.

Jean

Nerine, This seems most likely.
Thank you for all the information. I seem to be more and more confused. It is not easy to piece things to-gether if it is not straight forward.

Jean

Lindsey, The census information could be what I am looking for. I have a marriage certificate for Edward Kettle and Susan Kettle. The father of Edward is William Kettle.

Thank you

Jean

Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John KETTLE Head M Male 55 Hempton, Oxford, England Agl Laborer
Caroline KETTLE Wife M Female 56 Church Lawford, Warwick, England Wife Of Agl Laborer
William KETTLE Grandson Male 10 Hempton, Oxford, England Scholar
James CLARKE Grandson Male 2 Pimlico Westminster
Elizabeth KETTLE Visitor M Female 23 Flentham, Nottingham, England


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Source Information:
Census Place Deddington, Oxford, England
Family History Library Film 1341364
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1510 / 91
Page Number 16

I wonder if this is your william staying with his Grand parents .the age is right

Just a thought
Could Maryann be Edwards Cousin and got pregnant at 14 years old ,and thats why she is in the same household


how about looking at the 1861 census to see if she is there.

she would be about 4 then

Births Mar 1857 (>99%)
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Kettle Mary Ann Grantham 7a 413

Births Dec 1871 (>99%)
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KETTLE William Grantham 7a 445

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Births Jun 1872 (>99%)
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KETTLE William Henry Grantham 7a 459

there are two births very close

there is this marriage but one of the men is missing
could it be Edward Kettle

Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%)
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Kettle Emma Forehoe 4b 435
Kettle Mary Ann Forehoe 4b 435
Thompson George William Forehoe 4b 435

The district Forehoe is in the county of Norfolk

And I'm really struggling to find mary ogden from Leicester ???

The irst family I found live next door but one from Edward ?

I agree with Lindsey......unable to tie anything concrete up on census's.

Something a bit fishy I think...

The shoebox thing is from ancestry ,,, ignore it.
My thoughts are veering towards brother and sister ???
Unless she is a half sister, Shock horror, but not uncommon, maybe a copy of that marriage cert might help. I must admit its a difficult family to follow through the censuses, so you are right to suspect something is amiss.

Lindsey I am confused, Could Edward and Mary Ann be brother and sister. Then they had a son and he was called William after Edward's father.
I do not understand the beginning about saving this record to Ancestry and shoebox.

Jean

Hello Sue,
Yes I have his birth and death certificate and the name is only William.
Jean

I guess this edward before marriage ?

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1871 England Census
about Edward Kettle
Name: Edward Kettle
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Gender: Male
Where born: Spittlegate, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Spittlegate
Ecclesiastical parish: Spittlegate
Town: Grantham and Spittlegate
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Grantham
Sub registration district: Grantham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 172
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Kettle 20
Mary A Kettle 14
William Kettle 67

Are you 100% sure of your grandfather's birthdate and that he didn't have a middle name?

This looks like the birth of the William in the census above. Could this be yours, rather than the one born 1871?

Births June 1872
KETTLE William Henry Grantham 7a 459

Hello Lindsey,
I do not think this is the one I am looking for. William was born 9 October 1871. His father was called Edward and mother Mary Ann.
Thank you for looking though.
Jean

I have this marriage certificate, but as I am looking for a Mary Ann Kettle, I do not think this is the right one. Unless she was called Susan Mary Ann or Mary Ann Susan. Do you think this is one of the same person

Marriages Sep 1871 (>99%)
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AYSTHORPE Edmund Grantham 7a 699
Kettle Edward Grantham 7a 699
Kettle Susan Grantham 7a 699
OGDEN Mary Grantham 7a 699

could only find this one

1881 England Census
about William Henry Kettle
Name: William Henry Kettle
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Grantham, Lincoln, England

Civil Parish: Spittlegate
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address: 22 Bridge End Road
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Grantham
Sub registration district: Grantham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Jane Kettle 1
Florence Rosetta Kettle 2
Francis Edward Kettle 4
Jane Kettle 29
John Kettle 31
John James Kettle 7
William Henry Kettle 8

Trying to find mother and father of William Kettle born October 1871. His father was called Edward and his mother called Mary Ann Kettle nee Kettle this was the information on William's birth certificate. I cannot find their marriage certificate to find out their ages. William was born in Spittlegate, Grantham. I have no idea where to look next I keep coming up to a brick wall. William is my Grandfather