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I got a marriage cert yesterday for a John Herbert and Gladys Ellen Smith. Married in 1915 in Stanstead Abbots.

Sept 13th 1915
John's age is 32, occ is a Soldier living in the ? Barracks, Norwich
Father's name is John James Houghton occ house furnisher

Glady's age is 21, Father is George Smith deceased.

Witnesses are John James Houghton and Gertrude Houghton.

Im wondering why dad has different surname.

Where was John born?

Do you have his birth info?

Perhaps John was illegitimate, then his mother married John Houghton...........

Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
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Herbert Catherine Oundle 3b 411
Hipwell Sarah Oundle 3b 411
Houghton John Oundle 3b 411
Savage William Oundle 3b 411


Only speculating....................

No i dont have his birth cert. He is my Great Nans Father, her name is Gertrude Patricia Herbert born 1920.

Lol yes see above.

Anyone help please?

Hi Jo

I'm just looking at his WW1 records on Ancestry, there are 4 images, it probably won't answer your original question but the images might have some info that you don't know already.

Glen

Hi Glen, You might be right, i hadnt even thought of that.
I have to go out now il be back later, just incase anyone replies then you know why im not replying.

Jo

Next of kin is noted as father "John James Herbert".

Details for the marriage etc tally with thse you have posted above.

I tend to agree with Eric in that he may have been born just prior to the marriage in 1884 (based on his age at the time of marriage it suggests he was born abt 1883), the military records show him to have an "apparent age" of 31 yrs 180 days in March 1915 which would match well with the age at marriage.


I can't say who his father was for sure but i do know he was 5' 4" tall (according to the stats on the document anyway).

Possible for John & Catherine's acquaintance on the 1881 census?

Name: Catherine Herbert
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Godmanchester, Huntingdon, England

Civil Parish: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street address: 175 New England
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Farmers Daughters

Registration district: Peterborough
Sub registration district: Peterborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Herbert 16
John Houghton 23
Edward Rawlings 22
John C. Short 25
Sophia Short 28
William Squires 21

Class: RG11; Piece: 1595; Folio: 11; Page: 16
Kind regards,
Judith

Could it be Cavalry Barracks Norwich.My relative had that address in 1913 on his marriage cert.
Kay
Or Britannia Barracks,depending which regiment he was in.

Hi Jo ,

Maybe there has been a spelling error on the certificate,?.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
WW1 Service Record,
John Herbert,
Joined 14 th March 1915,-Wood Green,
A Printers Porter,,
Address,
112 Myddleton Road,
Bowes Park,
London N.
Service No--94741--

Next of Kin,John James Herbert-address....
112 Myddleton Road,
Bowes Park.
London N.
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later record.
Service Number 94741 John Herbert.
Last Occp--Printers Poster,
Next of Kin,
John James Herbert,
112,Myddleton Road .
Bowes Park.
London N.

new doc,1915,,----service no-94741,John Herbert.

Wife,

Glady Ellen Smith--married 13th September 1915,Parish Church Stanstead Abbots Ware Herts..,,

Later form says home address---
Park Road,
Stanstead Abbey,Ware herts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Hi all, sorry for delay replying, was in middles of doing it earlier but something came up.

Glen, the war records have heights on them? 5ft 4 same as me lol. So his dad is a John James Herbert not the name on the cert in first post here? Sorry you just said aswell you cant say who the Father is, maybe Eric is right then. One more question does the war records say what rank John was with?

Judith sorry who are John and Catherine? Is it John's parents? I know im useless lol.

Kay yes it looks like it is Cavalry Barracks Norwich.

Kay???? If there is a spelling error then its happened 3 times on the cert maybe as the 2 witnesses have surname Houghton also. Maybe John's mum is Gertrude Houghton as that is one of the witnesses name.

Jo

Both Johns should be on the 1901 census,,,but by 1915 John James the father may not be in the same job,,,,,,,,but he looks to be your John herbert,as it confirmed his marriage to Gladys Ellen Smith,,,,,,

Jo ,if you have Ancestry you can print off the service records,,

Someone has kindly offered to look up for me the parish records.

No i dont have ancestry Kay????

Jo,

It may be worth taking out -free 14day trial with Ancestry ..to get them..they are worth having and gives a suprising eye opening read,,

he was at one time on trial as act Bomadier ,!!he served in France.also.was seriously ill with pnueamonia,and spent time in London Hosptail in Edmonton,,,,,,

Kay????

Oh boy, ive used my 14 days up long ago. Now i want to see the record. Would it be very cheeky of me to ask if you can write here what is on the record please? If not then thats ok aswell.

Thankyou

Jo

Bump

Jo,

There is just to many pages to transcibe it all out,its in 2 lots of records,

Ancestry is free to access at most Libraries,,,,,,phone and book a place though,,,,,

Kay????

Ok thankyou for telling me but if i go to the libarey what would it be im after to look at? sorry to be a pain.