Find Ancestors

Jill

I would check deaths for that time too. It is possible she was there because of complications of birth?

Tracey

Hi Dea, yes it could be her that would explain why she wasn't with Joseph - although she was born in Crawley, Oxfordshire not Crayley Kent it could have been misunderstood especially if she wasn't well.
Thanks for your help regards Jill

Looks like Fanny wasn't well on 1871 census! - I think there is a very good chance that this is her ?

Fanny Read
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Patient
Gender: Female
Where born: Crayley, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Ridge
Town: Ridge
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Barnet
Sub registration district: South Mimms
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members: Name Age

****Fanny Read 25 - married


at Ridge |House Convalescence Hospital

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1331; Folio: 63; Page: 10; GSU roll: 828275.

Dea x

Thanks to all who replied my thread - its given me a lot of help - off to bed now - thanks everyone. Jill M

Thanks for that info Julie, I did look at the 1871 entry for Joseph but couldn't make out Married or Unmarried - assumed unmarried as living with parents so discounted him as having married in 1869 - if he was married where was Francis/Fanny his wife?

Heres Frances on the 1851

Francis Weaver
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Crawley, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Witney
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Witney
Sub registration district: Ensham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Weaver 5
Jane Weaver 31
Noah Weaver 1
William Weaver 37

If this is your Joseph in the 1871 he is showing as Married so that coulds be his marriage

Joseph Read
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Willesden, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Willesden
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Stonebridge
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Hendon
Sub registration district: Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 234
Household Members: Name Age
John Read 18
Joseph Read 25
Martha Read 11
Mary Read 47
Thomas Read 50
Thomas Read 9

Sorry - my geography isn't so good - but I think it is near Willesden which is where Joseph was born - would that be right?

Hendon isn't in East London

Right - my grandmother was Amelia Ann Read - she married John Wilder in Walthamstow in 1904 - her age was given as 28 making her birth 1876/77 -her father was Joseph occupation packer. At the time of her marriage she was living at Leucha Road, Walthamstow where in 1901 lived a William Read - brother???? 1881 census shows Amelia A daughter, William Son, Joseph father and Francis mother living in Tottenham. Birth cert I have for Amelia shows mother as Fanny Weaver and father Joseph Thomas occupation packer her dob 1877. 1891 census shows the family still in Tottenham without Amelia but with a younger sister Waverley(nickname) which I know is correct as she was my fathers aunt who he was sent to live with as a child.
There is a record of a marriage between Joseph Thomas Read and Fanny Weaver in 1869 at Hendon which is also in East London - what do you think? Does that sound right?

Also my Gt G/dad was registered as Samuel but know as William

But don't forget that
Francis (for boy)
Frances (for girl)

Yes I do.

That's why I am here !!

I think your one fits but if you are not happy send me the details!

Dea x

Thats true - but part of the fun - if all the records fitted it would be quite dull - I think all of us interested in our past have a bit of Miss Marples in us don't you?

Nothing in this 'game' is ever certain, but in this case, if everything else matches, I would be happy!

Dea x

Headache!!!! So - a birth cert in Francis a marriage cert in Fanny - census returns in Francis and birth cert of daughter as Fanny - as long as places and dates match it could be one and the same - but not a certainty - Thanks for the help Dea

YES !!

Some people in years past found it necessary to revert to their 'christened' names, which they never used - just to confuse us !!

Other's, however, just kept to what they were called (nicknames etc).

There were no rules !

Dea x

Thanks for the reply Dea, however would she use Fanny on her marriage certificate if she was Francis do you think?

I have found on MANY occasions that Francis is known as Fanny!!

SO - VERY probable.

Dea x

According to my Grandmothers birth certificate her mothers name was Fanny Weaver - however on the census she is shown as Francis - I have found a possible marriage between my Greatgrandfather Joseph Thomas Read and Fanny Weaver - is it possible that Francis and Fanny are the same person? Does anyone know if it was common to use nicknames or pet names on official documents or is it more likely that I'm looking are two different families?