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oh btw they did own shops so you are correct x

can you change your name then if you come over to another country?

hi s death cert just gave me prussia and so did his marriage cert. thats how i got his dads name peter from his marriage cert and said he was a farmer. i know about his 2 marriages to elizabeth abbot and emma B aswell and i know about his and emmas children.

yea hun i have both paul j roders marriage cert for him and emma and his death cert. oh really? so it states peters death wss in 1873?

This could be Paul's second marriage (family on 1881).

Marriages Mar 1869
Bettridge Emma Bethnal Green 1c 550
RODER Paul Bethnal Grn 1c 550

This could be the marriage of Paul Roder (senior) shown on the 1861

Marriages Sep 1856
Abbott Elizabeth Stepney 1c 865
Roder Paul Joseph Stepney 1c 865

The the death of the first wife - age seems right from the 1861 census.

Deaths Mar 1868
RODER Elizabeth 34 Bethnal Green 1c 180

A Newsvendor is someone who sells newspapers. Maybe they had a newspaper shop.

Paul in 1861 for ref
Name: Paul I Roder
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizth
Gender: Male
Where born: Pru B Subj

Civil Parish: Poplar
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England Name: Elizth Roder
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Paul I
Gender: Female
Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Poplar
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints


Household Members: Name Age
Alice C Roder 3 Mo
Elizth Roder 28
Josh Roder 3
Paul I Roder 30
Paul Wm Roder 4

is there any way i could get hold of a german birth cert?

there is a peter roder in some census records could be him ya never know. il try and look up marriages but i doubt he married over here.

il put peters name up in my tree and see if it comes up with any census records for him

hi hun yea he did marry emma he was married twice these family members are all his children yes. whats newsvender mean is that a place?

Can't find Peter's death on FreeBMD. Maybe you need to find him on the census to narrow down year of death. His surname might be mistranscribed.

Selena

Did Paul marry Emma Bettridge in 1869 Bethnal Green?

Selena

Seems Paul died age 71.

Deaths Sep 1901
Roder Paul Joseph 71 Bethnal G. 1c 145

Is this Paul on the 1881?

Paul RODER Head M Male 50 (F), Prussia Newsvendor
Emma RODER Wife M Female 40 Romsey Newsvendor
William RODER Son U Male 15 Poplar Newsvendor
Walter RODER Son U Male 10 B Green Scholar
Tommy RODER Son Male 9 B Green Scholar
Florence RODER Daur Female 5 B Green Scholar
Albert RODER Son Male 4 B Green Scholar
Ada RODER Daur Female 1 B Green

Dwelling 163 Green St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341090
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0415 / 84
Page Number 59

was told he more than likely died around the 1870s aorund bethnal green area is very likely as he had children there and around kent area

if it helps his sons name was paul j roder born in prussia also in 1830. he died in 1901 at the age of 91 bethnal green ho owned loads of shops

Do you have an approx year for death?

What part of England?

Selena

hi this is a long shot as i dont have much info to go by but here goes! iv been looking for my great great great grandads dads death for a good few weeks now with not much success. he was born in prussia germany but he died over here in england. his name was peter roder and he was a farmer thats what it states on my great grandads marriage cert. i think he was born around 1800 to1810. this is all the info i have at this stage driving me potty could anyone lend a hand with this death would be greatful know its a long shot. any tips even