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2 Aug 2008 00:39 |
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Hi, Thank you again for your help - yes, you did find Christiana. And thank you also for the baby Hannibal - I shall have to look into this baby, and see which branch he sits on.
Thank you again!
Peter
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30 Jul 2008 12:36 |
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And is this your missing Christiana death
Parish Records Collection 1538-2005 - Burial First name(s): Christiana Last name: SWALES Date of burial: 11 Feb 1894 Age at death: 78 Calculated year of birth: 1816 Place of burial: Guisborough Dedication: St Nicholas County: Yorkshire (North Riding) Notes: Guisborough St Nicholas: Denomination: Anglican Coverage: 1661 - 1900 Number of entries: 11,971 Record source: National Burial Index Data provider: Cleveland Family History Society Transcriptions © Cleveland Family History Society
Updated: Just read properly and it's Hannah Pattison death you are missing (must read slower :-)) I'll leave it anyway they may be related ;-)
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30 Jul 2008 12:25 |
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Hi Peter
I know this isn't your Hannibal, but thought it may be connected.
Parish Records Collection 1538-2005 - Burial First name(s): Hannibal Last name: SWALES Date of burial: 10 Jun 1863 Age at death: 5 Months Calculated year of birth: 1863 Place of burial: Thornaby Dedication: St Paul County: Yorkshire (North Riding) Notes: Thornaby St Paul: Denomination: Anglican Coverage: 1845 - 1892 Number of entries: 1,211 Record source: National Burial Index Data provider: Cleveland Family History Society Transcriptions © Cleveland Family History Society
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29 Jul 2008 23:05 |
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Also, I cannot find their marriage ...
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29 Jul 2008 23:05 |
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Hi Ozi,
No I cannot find Hannibal and Christiana Swales ni 1841. They had children in Yarm in the late 1830s, and other children in Stockton in the 1850s. They are in Thornaby in 1851, but I cannot find them at all in 1841.
Have you come across them in your work? I made a requset on this board for them in the census some time ago but nothing.
Peter
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29 Jul 2008 22:32 |
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Sorry, no luck at all. Nor for Edward on his own. There are too many Marys to narrow it down.
Have you found Christiana Stephenson/Swales in 1841?
Ozi.
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29 Jul 2008 21:49 |
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Glad I could help. Will look for Edward & Mary but I think they're probably dead for the rest of the family to be together.
A life on the road would have been extremely hard in those times.
Ozi.
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29 Jul 2008 15:53 |
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Dear Ozibird,
Thank you so much for your help! It is highly appreciated! I was please you attached Edward Stephenson to the Pattisons. Hannah Pattison was the daughter of Hannibal and Christiana (Stephenson) Swales, and she is my ancestor. To add to the mytery, she disappears between 1891 and 1901. In 1901 her husband James is a widow, but no sign of Hannah's death.
I have quite a few people in this branch of my tree who simply fall off the records - I get the impression that they were not fans of burocrocy!
I intent to order Edward Stephenson's death cert as he died in 1887 aged 70, a hawker, and apparently James Pattison was the informant.
Also, I am so glad that you found a connection with the Morrisons. I have come across a newspaper article from the Northern Echo, 18th February 1878:
Serious Disturbances at Stokesly
Another Man Sent to Prison for Kicking
At Stokesly Petty Sessions on Saturday, three men, named James Morrison, Edward Stephenson, and James Swales, potters, were charged with being concerned in a street disturbance at Stokesly on the 19th ult. A public-house quarrel, which led to a fight between two other potters, John Morrison and Mark Swales, resulted in Swales being knocked down and kicked until he became insensible, and on the friends of Swales interferring they were assailed by the supporters of Morrison and a disgraceful melee ensued ... (article continues)
The article goes on, and off course could relate to other members of the family - Edward Stephenson who was living in the Tent in 1841 and with the Pattisons in 1881 would be about 61 in 1878 and a little old for fighting perhaps ... I am thankful to you in that you have supplied a connection to the families.
I do not know much about the Stephenson family in the tents from 1841. Christiana, their sister as born in Pickering, Yorkshire in 1812, and her paretns were Edward and Mary Stephenson, although I can find no marriage, and any of the baptisms of the other children, with great certainty due to the fact this family appeared to have been travellers.
I was wondering therefore could you see if Edward and Mary Stephenson (the parents) were alive in 1841? 1851? You have been a great help and your work is much appreciated!
Thanks again,
Peter
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29 Jul 2008 02:32 |
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I have to go out now. So I'll leave you to digest this lot.
Once you get into 1891/1901 there's zillions of them. Please send me a message if there's particular ones you want followed up.
Ozi.
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29 Jul 2008 02:29 |
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Son of James?
1901 England Census Name: Zachariah Stephenson Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: Stokesley, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Loftus Ecclesiastical parish: Loftus St Leonard Town: Loftus County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 10 North Road
Occupation: Glass & China dealer
Condition as to marriage: married
Registration district: Guisborough Sub registration district: Loftus ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household Members: Name Age Zachariah Stephenson 45 Jane Stephenson 33 - Guisborough Elizabeth Stephenson 13 Sarah Stephenson 6 Mary A Stephenson 4 James A Stephenson 3 Zachariah Stephenson 6 months All children born Loftus.
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29 Jul 2008 01:33 |
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Another lot that's got to be related.
1861 England Census Name: James Stephenson Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Gender: Male Where born: York Civil Parish: Guisborough Town: Guisborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Church Street [as Edward in same year]
Occupation: Tinner
Condition as to marriage: married Registration district: Guisbrough Sub registration district: Guisbrough ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household Members: Name Age James Stephenson 30 Mary Ann Stephenson 27 - Stokesley Christiana Stephenson 9 - South Stockton Zachariah Stephenson 6 - Stokesley Annable Stephenson 3 - son [must be Hannibal!]; South Stockton Elizabeth Stephenson 1 - Guisborough Margaret Stephenson 13 - sister-in-law; South Stockton
1871 England Census Name: James Stephenson Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: York, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Guisborough Ecclesiastical parish: Cleveland Town: Guisborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Street address: Church Lane
Occupation: Hawker
Condition as to marriage: married
Registration district: Guisborough Sub registration district: Kirkleatham ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 41 Household Members: Name Age James Stephenson 41 Mary Stephenson 37 - Hawker's wife; Stokesley Lavinia Stephenson 15 - Hawker's housekeeper; Stokesley Hannibal Stephenson 14 - Hawker; Stockton, DUR Elizabeth Stephenson 11 - scholar; Guisborough Mary Ann Stephenson 9 - scholar; Guisborough Margaret Stephenson 7 - scholar; Guisborough Hannah Stephenson 3 - Guisborough Isabella Stephenson 5 months - Guisborough William Monley 17 - visitor
1891 England Census Name: James Stephenson Age: 61 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary A Gender: Male Where born: York, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Guisborough Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas Town: Guisborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 41 Church St
Occupation: Earthenware dealer
Condition as to marriage: married Registration district: Guisborough Sub registration district: Guisborough Household Members: Name Age James Stephenson 61 Mary A Stephenson 57 - Earthenware Dealer Hannah Stephenson 22 - Hawker Isabella Stephenson 20 - Hawker James Stephenson 18 - Hawker Sarah Stephenson 16 Margaret Stephenson 8 - granddaughter; scholar James Stephenson 5 - grandson; scholar All younger ones born Guisborough.
1901 England Census Name: James Stephenson Age: 72 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: York, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Guisborough Ecclesiastical parish: Guisborough Town: Guisborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Patten Lane (Back)
Occupation: Hawker
Condition as to marriage: married??
Registration district: Guisborough Sub registration district: Guisborough Household schedule number: 256 Household Members: Name Age James Stephenson 72 Bella Stephenson 30 - Guisborough James Stephenson 28 - Hawker; Guisborough James Stephenson 15 - visitor; Guisborough Lavina Stephenson 7 - visitor; East Hartlepool, Durham Richard Swales 25 - visitor; Hawker; Coxhoe, Durham Mary H Swales 25 - visitor; Guisborough, Yorkshire
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29 Jul 2008 01:23 |
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This lot have got to be related. Nephew of the 1841 Stephensons?
1861 England Census Name: Zachariah Stephenson Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Yarm, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Stokesley Town: Stokesley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: West End
Occupation: Tinner
Condition as to marriage: marriage Registration district: Stokesley Sub registration district: Stokesley ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 118 Household Members: Name Age Zachariah Stephenson 25 Elizabeth Stephenson 33 - Bubheath [I think, though transcribed as Berbheath], Yks Richard Stephenson 2 - Gisburn; Yks Zachariah Stephenson 3 Mo - Stokesley Margaret Morrison 14 James Morrison 12 John Morrison 8 Joseph Morrison 5 The Morrisons are step-children.
1871 England Census Name: Zachariah Stephenson Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Yarm, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Danby Ecclesiastical parish: Danby County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Street address: Danby Village
Occupation: Pott Hawker
Condition as to marriage: married
Disability: View Image Registration district: Guisborough Sub registration district: Danby ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 31 Household Members: Name Age Zachariah Stephenson 35 Elizabeth Stephenson 44 - Yarm Zachariah Stephenson 10 - scholar; Stokesley Christiana Stephenson 6 - scholar; Stokesley Joseph Morrison 15 - lodger; hawker
1881 England Census Name: Zachariah Stevenson Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Yarm, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Lofthouse County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 10 North Road Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Tinner & Hardware Dealer Registration district: Guisborough Sub registration district: Lofthouse ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Zachariah Stevenson 46 Elizabeth Stevenson 52 - Bubbith, Yorkshire Zachariah Stevenson 20 - Tinner & Hardware Dealer Christiana Stevenson 17 - Tinner & Hardware Dealer Joseph Morrison 25 - Hawker Annie Morrison 23 - Hawker
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29 Jul 2008 00:57 |
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I'm sorry they're all jumbled up, but it's as I come across them.
1851 England Census Name: Alexander Stevinson Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Biver Bridge, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Thornaby Ecclesiastical parish: Thornaby County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Ferry Boat landing
Occupation: Earthenware dealer
Condition as to marriage: married
Registration district: Stockton Sub registration district: Yarm <<<< ED, institution, or vessel: 1a Household Members: Name Age Alexander Stevinson 28 Mary Stevinson 27 - Blour Quarry, Durham Mary A Stevinson 6 - Stockton, Durham Edward Stevinson 4 - Stockton, Durham Chrita Stevinson 2 - South Stockton, Yorkshire 1861 England Census Name: Alexander Stephenson Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Rivaulx, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Stokesley Town: Stokesley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: North Side, Back Lane
Occupation: Licensed Hawker
Condition as to marriage: married Registration district: Stokesley Sub registration district: Stokesley ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household Members: Name Age Alexander Stephenson 38 Mary Stephenson 35 - Licensed Hawker; Gateshead, Durham Mary Ann Stephenson 16 - Hawker; Stockton, Durham Edward Stephenson 16 - Hawker; Stockton, Durham Christy Stephenson 12 - scholar; Stockton, Durham Betty Stephenson 9 - scholar; Hutton, YKS Alexander Stephenson 7 - scholar; Stokesley John Stephenson 4 - scholar; Stokesley Zachariah Stephenson 1 - Stokesley
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29 Jul 2008 00:41 |
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1851 England Census Name: Zachariah Stepherson Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Yarm, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Stokesley County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: none recorded
Occupation: Tinner
Condition as to marriage: married
Registration district: Stokesley Sub registration district: Stokesley ED, institution, or vessel: 8b Household Members: Name Age Zachariah Stepherson 46 Mary Stepherson 36 - Tinner's wife; Weatherby Richard Stepherson 6 - Tinner's son; Stokesley
1861 England Census Name: Zachariah Stevenson Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Yarm, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Guisborough Town: Guisborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: none recorded [previous page is Northoutgate]
Occupation: Earthenware Dealer
Condition as to marriage: married Registration district: Guisbrough Sub registration district: Guisbrough ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household Members: Name Age Zachariah Stevenson 50 Mary Stevenson 44 - Earthenware Dealer; Wetherby Richard Stevenson 16 - journeyman Earthenware dealer; Stokesley
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29 Jul 2008 00:32 |
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1881 England Census Name: Edward Stephenson Age: 66 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815 Relation: Uncle Gender: Male Where born: Brafferton, Durham, England Civil Parish: Redcar County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 63 Red Lion St Condition as to marriage: Widow
Occupation: Hawker Registration district: Guisborough Sub registration district: Marske ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age James Pattinson 40 - Tinner Hannah Pattinson 39 Isaac Pattinson 17 Christiana Pattinson 15 Mary Ann Pattinson 13 Annie Pattinson 12 Isabella Pattinson 9 Margaret Pattinson 7 Edward Pattinson 4 Lavinia Pattinson 3 Hanibal Pattinson 1 Edward Stephenson 66 All offspring are sons & daughters of James & Hannah except Annie who is a niece.
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29 Jul 2008 00:14 |
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Thank you so muc for your help! I hope this does not appear cheeky, but I was wondering could anyone help me find these individuals in later censuses, as I am having some diffiuclty on my own.
A second opinion would be much appreciated. I descend from the Stephenson's sister Christiana, who married Hannibal Swales, a potter/hawker/pedlar. I have the details of Christiana and Hannibal. My interest are in the siblings of Christiana who appear in tents in 1841.
Thanks,
Peter
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29 Jul 2008 00:05 |
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1861 England Census Name: Edward Stephenson Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Brafferton, Durham, England Civil Parish: Guisborough Town: Guisborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Church Street
Occupation: Broom maker
Registration district: Guisbrough Sub registration district: Guisbrough ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 43 Household Members: Name Age Edward Stephenson 40 Mary Stephenson 41 - Cold Kirby, YKS Thomas Swales 13 - nephew; scholar; Stokesley, YKS Soverina Stephenson 4 - niece; scholar; Stokesley, YKS
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28 Jul 2008 23:52 |
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1841 census transcription details for: In Tents, Danby National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 1255 Book/Folio: 4/40 Page: 1 Reg. District: Guisborough Sub District: Danby Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: Parish: Danby City/Municipal Borough: Address: In Tents, Danby County: Yorkshire Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation, Where Born STEPHENSON, Zachariah M 35 1806 Yorkshire STEPHENSON, Mary F 30 1811 Yorkshire STEPHENSON, Edward M 20 1821 Yorkshire STEPHENSON, Alexander M 20 1821 Yorkshire STEPHENSON, Ann F 15 1826 Yorkshire SWALES, James M 20 1821 Yorkshire SWALES, Jane F 20 1821 Yorkshire SWALES, Thomas M 1 1840 Yorkshire
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28 Jul 2008 23:47 |
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1841 England Census
Name: Zachariah Stephenson Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Gender: Male Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Danby Hundred: Langbaurgh (East Division) County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: In Tents
Occupation: Potter Registration district: Guisbrough Sub registration district: Danby Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Zachariah Stephenson 35 Mary Stephenson 30 Edward Stephenson 20 Alexander Stephenson 20 Ann Stephenson 15 James Swales 20 Jane Swales 20 Thomas Swales 1 The next address looks like Windley Hill.
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28 Jul 2008 23:41 |
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Hi all,
Could someone help me find my ancestors in 1841. I know they were living in Tents just out of Danby Village, Yorkshire. There was also a John Swales staying with the family in their tent.
Can any one find mention of the family please?
Cheers,
Peter
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