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Jim thats great - thanks for confirming it all. Im going to add it to my tree.

Ive got another post on the board but so far have had no replies to it. Can you tell me if its visible to you? I can see it but Im wondering if anyone else can. Usually I get really good replies on here!! Its about Sarah Ann East.

Hi Julie
I think the 1851 is spot on for Matilda
Here is:-
1841
Betsey Court abt 1830 Somerset, England Wiveliscombe, Somerset
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Eliza Court abt 1824 Somerset, England Wiveliscombe, Somerset
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Jesse Court abt 1805 Somerset, England Wiveliscombe, Somerset
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Margaret Court abt 1800 Somerset, England Wiveliscombe, Somerset
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Matilda Court abt 1840 Somerset, England Wiveliscombe, Somerset
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Robert Court abt 1836 Somerset, England Wiveliscombe, Somerset
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Selvy Court abt 1833 Somerset, England Wiveliscombe, Somerset

Thank you Jim, you have taken away most of my doubts.

What do you think to Kathleen's suggestion on page 1 of the thread that she might have Matilda's family?

I cannot find her on familysearch.org

Hi Julie
The 1861 does not really matter as the 1851 and 1871 agree .I think when the enumerator transfered the information he could have made a mistake or,as you say maybe Matilda and Ann are her names.
I have checked the census and births for Newport and it seems she is the only Mary Cox that fits.
If you really have any doubts then her marriage and birth certs. will give you a definite answer.

1901
Alfred Hall Mary abt 1876 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Newport, Monmouthshire
Catherine M Hall Alfred,Mary abt 1898 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Newport, Monmouthshire
Mary Hall Alfred abt 1877 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Newport, Monmouthshire
Mary E Hall Alfred,Mary abt 1900 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Newport, Monmouthshire
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marriage
Mary Cox 1896 Apr-May-Jun Newport M Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire

Alfred Leonard Hall
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birth
Mary Cox 1877 Jan-Feb-Mar Newport M Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire

Jim

Trying to make sense of the 1861 entry.

We know that Elizabeth and John are a Daniel's parents.

A Daniel Cox does marry Matilda Court in 1860.

Minnie (on page one of this thead) also had Daniel and Ann as a couple and I thought perhaps it was not the right family. Interesting though, that you have them sharing the house with Elizabeth and John.

Im wondering if I have Matilda as correct. I was convinced this was so, as, in my family tree, I have Alfred (Hall) and Mary Cox married (this I know for sure) they were the parents of my Nanna. Her name was Catherine Matilda. Alfred's mother is Catherine. And so I then found Daniel and Matilda as possible parents for Mary, presuming they named their child after both of their mothers.

Does this make any sense? Shout if you want to see my tree and I will open it up for you.

Somewhere I am trying to fit together bit of puzzle that dont actually belong together.

This one is difficult.

PS, perhaps she was Matilda Ann, or Ann Matilda?

I have an Ann Ellen Cox, M.23.3.1857. To Thomas Denning.no other info on them. And before that William Cox, M.14. 8 .1827, to Mary Ann Greening. Do not have places of birth, marriage, or death.

1851
John Cox Elizabeth abt 1816 Kilmington, Somerset, England Head Bruton, Somerset
Darrel Cox John,Elizabeth abt 1839 Bruton, Somerset, England Son Bruton, Somerset
Elizabeth Cox John abt 1818 Bruton, Somerset, England Wife Bruton, Somerset
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1841 John is absent
Daniel Cox abt 1839 Somerset, England Bruton, Somerset
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Elizabeth Cox abt 1821 Somerset, England Bruton, Somerset

I am not sure that this is the right family but they are brick makers.

1861 different wife or is it a mistake? Check marriage date.
Daniel Cox Ann abt 1837 Bruton, Somerset, England Head Shepton Mallet, Somerset
Ann Cox Daniel abt 1841 Bruton, Somerset, England Wife Shepton Mallet, Somerset
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sharing the house

Elizabeth Cox John abt 1814 Bruton, Somerset, England Wife Shepton Mallet, Somerset
John Cox Elizabeth abt 1816 Bruton, Somerset, England Head Shepton Mallet, Somerset
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marriage?
Matilda Court 1860 Jul-Aug-Sep Wincanton Dorset, Somerset
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Daniel Cox

1871
Daniel Cox Marilda abt 1839 Browton, Somerset, England Head Newport, Monmouthshire
Daniel Cox Daniel,Marilda abt 1871 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Newport, Monmouthshire
James Cox Daniel,Marilda abt 1868 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Newport, Monmouthshire
John Cox Daniel,Marilda abt 1866 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Newport, Monmouthshire
Marilda Cox Daniel abt 1841 Wiveliscombe, Devon, England Wife Newport, Monmouthshire
William Cox Daniel,Marilda abt 1862 Browton, Somerset, England Son Newport, Monmouthshire

1881
Daniel Cox Matilda abt 1839 Barton, Somerset, England Head Christchurch, Monmouthshire
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Daniel Cox Daniel,
Matilda abt 1870 Newport, Monmouth, Wales Son Christchurch, Monmouthshire
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James Cox Daniel,
Matilda abt 1867 Newport, Monmouth, Wales Son Christchurch, Monmouthshire
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Jane Cox Daniel,
Matilda abt 1874 Newport, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Christchurch, Monmouthshire
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John Cox Daniel,
Matilda abt 1865 Newport, Monmouth, Wales Son Christchurch, Monmouthshire
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Mary Cox Daniel,
Matilda abt 1877 Newport, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Christchurch, Monmouthshire
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Matilda Cox Daniel abt 1841 Barton, Somerset, England Wife Christchurch, Monmouthshire
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William Cox Daniel,
Matilda abt 1863 Barton, Somerset, England Son Christchurch, Monmouthshire

1891
Daniel Cox Matilda abt 1838 Bruton, Somerset, England Head Christchurch, Monmouthshire
Daniel Cox Daniel abt 1872 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Christchurch, Monmouthshire
Mary Cox Daniel abt 1875 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Christchurch, Monmouthshire
Matilda Cox Daniel abt 1840 Wiveliscombe, Somerset, England Wife Christchurch, Monmouthshire

Could 'Barton' and 'Bruton' be the same place but misinterpreted in the census due to the handwriting or accent (or education!) <<<< ignore this - Ive found they are two different places. And that Wincanton isnt that far away either.This all ties in!

Cant help thinking that we have the same Daniel and Matilda here.

Are John, Elizabeth and Daniel on the 1861 census, with a Mary as well?

lol sorry Jim, I read that as a census entry with just the two of them on it! Mouth is washed....

Im going to look into this a bit more. Thank you for all your help.

Im also going to practice look ups as Im obviously doing something wrong, not finding the things you are finding!

The IGI (pedigree resource file) gives a Daniel Cox born 1838 to John Cox and Elizabeth White. Also it gives John Cox born 1815 either Kilmington or Bruton and was a Brick Burner.
There is a birth registration for Daniel Cox, December 1838, vol.10 page 485, Wincanton (which covers Bruton).
Kate

Hi Julie,
Wiveliscombe is actually in Somerset.
Here is a possible Court family.
1841 piece 950 fo.53, page 8
Wiveliscombe
Jesse Court, 36, Ag. Lab
Margaret, 41
Eliza, 17
Betsey, 11
Silvy, 8
Robert, 5
Matilda, 1.

1851 piece 1921, fo. 68, page 3
Wiveliscombe
Jesse Court, 44
Peggy, wife, 50
Silvy, dau, 18
Matilda, dau, 11 (mistranscribed as 4)

Kate

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Daniel Cox
Name: Daniel Cox
Year of Registration: 1838
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Wincanton
County: Dorset, Somerset
Volume: 10
Page: 485

Wash your mouth! Unmarried not.


1851 England Census
about Darrel Cox
Name: Darrel Cox <<<<<<Daniel on image
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Bruton, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Bruton
Ecclesiastical parish: Wells
Town: Bruton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wincanton
Sub registration district: Castle Cary
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 97
Household Members: Name Age
Darrel Cox 12
Elizabeth Cox 33
John Cox 35

Thank you all so much. And Jim, Im just going to search the trees, thank you.

Ive always thought I was Welsh but it seems most of my family originate in England!!

Janice - is that last entry Daniel Senior and his mother? Surely not another unmarried Mum?! I thought that was a 20th century thing!

You guys are amazing!! How is it that I can never find these things when I look?!! I must be doing it wrong..

?1841
Name: Daniel Cox
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Gender: Male
Where born: Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Bruton
Hundred: Bruton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Name: Elizabeth Cox
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Bruton
Hundred: Bruton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Think it is possibly Bruton in Somerset
Achilds birth cert. would give you mothers maiden name to confirm marriage details