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Hello all,

Thanks for your help to Miriam, she is my mothers cousin so I am also interested in this family, if anyone has additional information I would love to hear from you.

Robert

Thanks for the tips Kathryn :)

Charles married Constance Lillie Baldwin on 14th February 1900 at Toowoomba, Qld, age 28.

Question Miriam -- you have Charles's marriage certificate -- what year did he marry?

This would have given us a benchmark for when he was definitely in Australia!

For Charles leaving for Australia, if he did stay in England until 1890, there are these 1890-1920:

http://www.findmypast.com/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action

(free to search, pay to see record)

name -- DOB -- sex -- year travelled -- departure port -- destination port

WARREN Charles Unknown M 1920 London Australia Melbourne
WARREN Chas 1874 M 1904 London Australia Sydney
WARREN Chas Unknown M 1911 Liverpool Australia Brisbane

Tip, Miriam -- when you come to Trying to Find, first thing you do: click on "My Threads" on the left side, and you'll see your thread (and any threads you've posted in) immediately, then just click on it. The site does the searching for you!

Good luck sorting those people out ... ;)

Hello Kathryn & Julie,

Hehe sorry I'm a bit behind you two ...this is my first time at this and I even got a shock to find my original post was now on abt page 16 just from yesterday...der

Many many thanks for all your searching and info. You have given me somewhere to start and if I can just clear my head (from the cold) I'll try to look at what you've found.

Miriam :)

I have to go home for supper -- over to somebody else!

Maybe Miriam will look in at her thread.

Good lord, talk about matching names.

In Witham Friary in 1841 we have:


Benjamin Edwards 2
Charles Edwards 25
Maria Edwards 25
Mary Edwards 5
William Edwards 1 Mo

and

Charles Edwards 30
Charles Edwards 2 Mo
Elizabeth Edwards 5
George Edwards 7
John Edwards 2
Maria Edwards 25
Mary Edwards 8


It looks like I lighted on the wrong Maria and Mary in that 1881 household!

Charles Footser my eye.

I'm betting Charles Hooper ... well that was to good to be true. Looks like Foalser, and he's just a servant in the household.

Aargh. I never think to expand beyond England -- I use the England-specific censuses for each year, just keep the tabs open ... But with birthplaces in England, those households should have shown up.

How very weird that there's a Charles Edwards in that 1891 household -- when it looks like Mary Edwards Warren was with her mother Maria the census before.


Well, here they are in 1851:


Name: Maria Edwards
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Witham Friary, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Witham Friary
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Frome
Sub registration district: Nunney
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Household schedule number: 37

Benjn Edwards 11
Charles Edwards 37
Charles Edwards 1
Hannah Edwards 7
Maria Edwards 36
William Edwards 9


Lots of matching names. Where's Mary?

AND 1901...........! ! !

1901 Wales Census about Joseph Warren
Name: Joseph Warren
Age in 1901: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Witham Friary, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Abersychan
Ecclesiastical parish: Trevethin
Town: Abersychan
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street address:
Occupation:

Registration district: Pontypool
Sub registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Footser 19
Benjamin E Warren 30
Joseph Warren 64
Madeline Warren 16
Mary Warren 63
William J L Warren 5

No Mary Warren or Edwards married a Hooper 1871-1881.


There is this birth in Devizes (where the household was in 1871):

Births Mar 1874
Warren Charles Devizes 5a 108

but in 1881 he seems to be the child of a George and Ann in Wiltshire.


Hmm.

Births Jun 1870
Hooper Charles Devizes 5a 93

But in 1871 he seems to be the son of Edward and Caroline in Wiltshire.


And by 1891 you believe them to be gone -- and FindMyPast only has outgoing passengers back to 1890 -- and I don't see Joseph in the 1891 census.

And I just don't see your Charles anywhere!

But that seems to settle who Joseph Warren and Mary Edwards were, so it's something, anyway.

May be not as here is the family with 10 yr old Benjamin, unless its Ben. Charles ...???

1881 Wales Census about Joseph Warren
Name: Joseph Warren
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Witham Friary, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Trevethin
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street address: Garndiffaith
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: General Lab In Iron Works

Registration district: Pontypool
Sub registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Warren 10
Emily Warren 13
George Warren 21
Joseph Warren 44
Mary Warren 42

Family is still together in 1891... so may be not yours...! ! Could Mary have gone to Canada afterwards ??

1891 Wales Census about Joseph Warren
Name: Joseph Warren
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Witham, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Trevethin
Ecclesiastical parish: Trevethin
Town: Cwmavon
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street address:
Occupation:

Registration district: Pontypool
Sub registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Edwards 78
Benjamin Warren 20
Emily Warren 23
George Warren 8
George Warren 49
Joseph Warren 55
Mary Warren 53

This is Kathryn's family from 1861...

1871 England Census about Joseph Warren
Name: Joseph Warren
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Marry
Mother's Name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Witham Friary, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Potterne
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street address: Nunsted Rd Sleight Cottages
Occupation: Head cowman

Registration district: Devizes
Sub registration district: Bromham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
7 >>>> on original, "Twin children"
6 >>>>........Daughter & son... 7 days
Maria Edwards 50 Mother-in-law, General Nurse
Alice Warren 7
Emily Warren 4
George Warren 11
Hannah Warren 5
John Warren 10
Joseph Warren 35
Marry Warren 33
William Warren 13 Plow boy

One of the new born twins could be your Charles..?

Same household in 1871, now in Potterne, Wiltshire:


Name Age
7
6
Maria Edwards 50 (confirming this is the couple who married 1857)
Alice Warren 7
Emily Warren 4
George Warren 11
Hannah Warren 5
John Warren 10
Joseph Warren 35
Marry Warren 33
William Warren 13

Two nameless children, hmm. Okay, on the image it actually says Twin Children, son and daughter, 7 days old. Which makes them two of these:

Births Jun 1871
WARREN Benjamin Edward Devizes 5a 95
Warren Levin George Devizes 5a 95
WARREN Lilly Ada Devizes 5a 95


There is another Joseph and Mary couple in Somerset with a son Charles born around 1866. No matching girls' names.


I'm suspecting something messy -- separation, new households -- and look what I find when I search for Mary by personal details alone w/o surname, in 1881:


Name: Mary Hooper
[Mary Edwards] (added by Ancestry to match mother's name)
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Maria
Gender: Female
Where born: Witham, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Witham Friary
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Frome
Sub registration district: Nunney
ED, institution, or vessel: 1

Maria Edwards 69
Mary Hooper 48


Interesting.

This looks like that Joseph and Mary in 1861, in case they're the right ones.


Name: Joseph Warren
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Witham Friary, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Witham Friary
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Frome
Sub registration district: Nunney
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Household schedule number: 3

George Warren 1
Henry Warren 2 Mo
Joseph Warren 27
Mary Warren 24
William Warren 3
Emily White 10

We start by going to FreeBMD!

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

click on the red "search" in the lower left and then search for

marriages
warren
joseph
edwards
mary

and one possible marriage turns up.


Marriages Jun 1857
Crees Seward Frome 5c 967
Crees Henrietta Charlotte Frome 5c 967
>> Edwards Mary Frome 5c 967
>> Warren Joseph Frome 5c 967
(in Somerset)


Only the certificate will confirm that they married each other, but for now the names and timeframe look good.


Turning to the 1881 census, we look for Charles Warren born c1872 with parents Joseph and Mary.


And there isn't one. Let's try for a sister in 1871. No luck.

...

The following is all the information I have. My grand father, Charles Warren, arrived in Australia about 1887, born abt 1872 in England. Charles parents (listed on his marriage cert.) were Joseph Warren and Mary Edwards (fathers profession: Farmer).
Passed down to me by Charles' children is a story that Charles had 2 older sisters (Kate & Annie) and 2 or 3 brothers. His mother, Mary, imigrated to Canada, with the brothers about the same time as Charles came to Australia, leaving in England their father, Joseph, and the 2 girls. I have been unable to confirm any of these details and would love to find a connection somewhere ...please can anybody help?
Miriam