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Emma Beames 1888 Jul-Aug-Sep Barton Regis Gloucestershire

James Davis 1888 Jul-Aug-Sep Barton Regis Gloucestershire

Emma Jane Shelper 1888 Jul-Aug-Sep Barton Regis Gloucestershire

Valentine Henry Stiddar 1888 Jul-Aug-Sep Barton Regis Gloucestershire

Im thinking of subscribing to Ancestry (when i get paid - its easy to get hooked on this stuff and credits with this site dont go very far). I found four more relatives last night after you put me onto Ancestry! (From a different part of the family)

I will check out this tree.

I also want to see if I can find my fathers ancestors on his father's side. This is proving difficult as there is no father's name on the birth cert!! I hope to find his grandmother on the 1881 census.

Thanks for all your help Liz, I really do appreciate it.

Julie

There is a tree on ancestry with this family on. George married Ann Edwards (wonder if she was anything to do with the family Emma's with?) in 1841. Do you have ancestry so you could get in touch? The owner updated his tree just last week.

Liz

Oh bless you, I feel really lazy now! I hope you are not spending credits on this for me?

I was thinking - if Emma was in service to those ladies, that would explain why she wasnt on the 61 census with her family. It all fits together like a jigsaw.

I guess Jane would be the mother in law of Sarah Edwards. I wonder where the husband is?

Penhow is where both her and her husband, Valentine, are born according to the 1871. I'm finding all this on ancestry.

Liz

awww bless her - even it its not my Emma, thats wicked, 11 and in service. Poor little girl.

Kids today dont know they are born!!

Again, Penhow is very close to Caerwent and Langstone (and near where I live now too!)

ah, so that makes her year of birth 1850 +/-1

Do you have the census discs Liz or are you searching somewhere for all this?

Emma is actually 21 on the 1871 census, not 31!


I wonder if this is the poor girl here in 1861.


1861 Wales Census
about Emma Beames
Name: Emma Beames
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Penhow, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Trostrey
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Pontypool
Sub registration district: Usk
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Emma Beames 11
Jane Edwards 77
Mary Meredith 64

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The household is actually Sarah Edwards (36) a carpenter's wife, John, her 14 year old son and Jane Edwards, her 77 year old, widowed mother? Emma is a 'maid of all work.'

Brilliant - that makes sense. Cant see the miner being a connection then if he is an ag lab.

Emma just may have been at a different house on the night of the census. I take it that Charles does not appear on the 1851 census?

Ernest Sheppard is a nephew.Charles is an ag lab and Emma is his sister in the 1851 census. Don't know where she is in 1861.

Liz

Sorry Liz, dont understand the connection now with Emma.

The surnames Beams and Bearns are very similar, especially if handwritten....

How did you find the above entry?

Caerwent is not far from Langstone though....

I saw this entry somewhere too, LDS website I think. Im not sure. He may well have been a miner and lodged in Monmouth, I will have to ask my grandmother if she knows.

Do you know what his occupation is on the 1891 census ? I notice the earlier post on this thread didnt give that.

Im still trying to get my head around the brother/sister in law bit! There is no Emma amongst Charles siblings on the 61 census. Could she have been a Sheppard? (his wife's maiden name) Notice the Ernest Sheppard on the 91 census.

Yes here's Emma.


1851 Wales Census
about George Bearns
Name: George Bearns
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Caerwent, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Penhow
Ecclesiastical parish: Llandaff
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Occupation: View Image
Disability: View Image
Registration district: Newport
Sub registration district: Caerleon
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Bearns 28
Ann Bearns 4
Emma Bearns 1
Frederick Bearns 9
George Bearns 35
Louiza Bearns 8

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Liz

Not sure about this. Was he a coal miner?


1881 Wales Census
about Charles Beames
Name: Charles Beames
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Kimyel, Monmouth, Wales

Civil Parish: Mynyddyslwyn
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street address: Twyn Coch
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Coal Miner

Registration district: Newport
Sub registration district: Mynyddyslwyn
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Beames 20
William James 20
Elspeth Thomas 17
Jane Thomas 22
John Thomas 65
John Thomas 24
Margaret Thomas 12
Mary Thomas 56
Thomas Thomas 27

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No he was an ag lab in 1891.

In 1871 I think Emma must be a sister as the Beams are sister and brother in laws to Valentine.

1861 Wales Census
about Charles Beams
Name: Charles Beams
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Llangstone, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Llangstone
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Newport
Sub registration district: Caerleon
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Beams 38
Ann Beams 14
Charles Beams 1
Fredrich Beams 19
George Beams 48
George Beams 6
Henry Beams 3
Sarah Beams 10

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Yes, this has to be the one - langstone is very close to Newport and I know that Jessie, Charle's daughter was born at Langstone in 1890.

Im trying to make sense of the Stidders, with the Beam's children.

Are you able to view the census entry? Are there any other Beams nearby? I know that in some cases, large families let some of their children live with neighbours instead.

This is intersting stuff - if you can access anything else, I would be most grateful. Thank you very much

Julie,

Are you wanting to go backwards or forwards from the marriage or is it other info you are after?


1891 is this the right family?

Name: Charles Beams
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Langstone, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Llangstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Llangstone
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Newport
Sub registration district: Caerleon
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Beams 4
Charles Beams 30
George Beams 2
Jessie Beams 1
Sarah Beams 28
Ernest Sheppard 4

Age and birth place do not match ?




1871?
Name: Charles Beams
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Llangstone, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llangstone
Town: Llanbeder
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Newport
Sub registration district: Caerleon
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Beams 10
James Beams 8
Sarah Beams 19
Emma Stidder 31
Valentine Stidder 29

Charles married Sarah Shepherd in Newport Q2/1886

They had five children, Alice, George, Emma, Fred and Jessie (who was my great grandmother).

Jessie was adopted as a baby by her aunt and Uncle - James Evans and his wife. They had no children of their own and Jessie was, apparently, a 'delicate' child.

Any info greatly appreciated

Julie