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Lost Marriage - Basebe/Browne

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jerseylily

jerseylily Report 20 Jun 2008 19:59

For some time now I have been searching for the marriage of my great grandfather Samuel Basebe to Jane Browne.

In 1851 Samuel was living in Shoreditch, aged 15, by 1861 he was married to Jane from Dublin and living in Chelsea. They had their first child Rosina in Sept 1859.

I have trawled BMD and Ancestry with every permutation of Basebe that I can think of and found Samuel's 2 subsequent marriages but no luck with the important one that will give me more information about Jane.
I'm hoping that some fresh eyes and maybe some of the lateral thinking that I've seen on this board can find the answer.

Thanks - Pam

Researching:
Basébé, Butcher, Johnson, Dubber (London) Milford (Devon and Cornwall) Shardlow, Hague, Holmes, Capenhurst (Derbyshire) Smith, Jennnings, Keylock, Bullock (Gloucestershire)

Thelma

Thelma Report 20 Jun 2008 20:09

Well most of us would think about buying this certificate.
birth
Rosina Basébé 1859 Oct-Nov-Dec Chelsea (1841-1981) Greater London, London, Middlesex

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 20 Jun 2008 20:11

I wonder if that important first marriage happened in Ireland since that is where she was from?

Researching:
Great grandmother Dorothy Bean nee Abbott (1858-1908)

chrisa

chrisa Report 20 Jun 2008 20:11

Maybe they married in Ireland?

jerseylily

jerseylily Report 20 Jun 2008 20:16

I wouldn't have known that the mother's maiden name was Browne if I hadn't bought the certificate

Researching:
Basébé, Butcher, Johnson, Dubber (London) Milford (Devon and Cornwall) Shardlow, Hague, Holmes, Capenhurst (Derbyshire) Smith, Jennnings, Keylock, Bullock (Gloucestershire)

jerseylily

jerseylily Report 20 Jun 2008 20:21

Margaret/Chrisa
I had wondered that as well but I did find a Jane Brown from Ireland living in Chelsea with an aunt in 1851 and as they set up home in that district thought it might be her, not been able to prove it tho.
Pam

Researching:
Basébé, Butcher, Johnson, Dubber (London) Milford (Devon and Cornwall) Shardlow, Hague, Holmes, Capenhurst (Derbyshire) Smith, Jennnings, Keylock, Bullock (Gloucestershire)

Thelma

Thelma Report 20 Jun 2008 20:37

marriage
Jane Brown 1859 Jul-Aug-Sep Chelsea (1841-1981) Greater London, London, Middlesex
Samuel Baber
Check the images

jerseylily

jerseylily Report 20 Jun 2008 20:51

Sorry Jim - where are you looking? This is what I am getting from BMD
Brown Jane Chelsea 1a 265
Cole Charles Stephen Chelsea 1a 265
Jennings Allvey Gee Chelsea 1a 265
Jennings Allvey Gees Chelsea 1a 265
Roberts Sophia Emily Chelsea 1a 265

Researching:
Basébé, Butcher, Johnson, Dubber (London) Milford (Devon and Cornwall) Shardlow, Hague, Holmes, Capenhurst (Derbyshire) Smith, Jennnings, Keylock, Bullock (Gloucestershire)

Glen In Tinsel Knickers

Glen In Tinsel Knickers Report 20 Jun 2008 21:10


Samuel is recorded as page 263, Jane as page 265 on the ancestry images.The image for her entry is not the best though.


Glen

Thelma

Thelma Report 20 Jun 2008 21:10

Name: Samuel Baber
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Chelsea (1841-1981)
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 263
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Name: Jane Brown
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Chelsea (1841-1981)
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 265 <<<<<<could be 263

jerseylily

jerseylily Report 20 Jun 2008 21:23

I looked at the Samuel Baber one on Ancestry and noted the reference but it looked exactly like Baber to me. When I've found census mis-transciptions, and that was most of them, knowing what I'm looking for they've quite obviously been Basebe.
If I send for the certificate, which I'm quite happy to do, how do I know if it's the right couple if it still says Baber?
Pam

Researching:
Basébé, Butcher, Johnson, Dubber (London) Milford (Devon and Cornwall) Shardlow, Hague, Holmes, Capenhurst (Derbyshire) Smith, Jennnings, Keylock, Bullock (Gloucestershire)

jerseylily

jerseylily Report 20 Jun 2008 21:36

Why didn't I think of that? - thank you Johnathon and everyone else who's been looking.
Pam

Researching:
Basébé, Butcher, Johnson, Dubber (London) Milford (Devon and Cornwall) Shardlow, Hague, Holmes, Capenhurst (Derbyshire) Smith, Jennnings, Keylock, Bullock (Gloucestershire)

Julie

Julie Report 20 Jun 2008 22:10

The image says Samuel

1841

Ismael Besebe
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St James Clerkenwell
Hundred: Ossulstone (Finsbury Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Clerkenwell
Sub registration district: Goswell Street
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Besebe 40
Ismael Besebe 6
Mary Besebe 4
Thos Besebe 45
Isabella Harden 15


Thomas is a Carpenter

All born in County though i know the 1851 had Charlotte born in Devon

jerseylily

jerseylily Report 20 Jun 2008 22:18

Yes thanks I've found both of those, I have Samuel and various wives through to 1901.
Pam

Researching:
Basébé, Butcher, Johnson, Dubber (London) Milford (Devon and Cornwall) Shardlow, Hague, Holmes, Capenhurst (Derbyshire) Smith, Jennnings, Keylock, Bullock (Gloucestershire)

Julie

Julie Report 20 Jun 2008 22:21

Sorry going by your post at Today at 21:36 i thought you didn't

jerseylily

jerseylily Report 20 Jun 2008 22:36

Julie - sorry if it was ambiguous. Pam

Researching:
Basébé, Butcher, Johnson, Dubber (London) Milford (Devon and Cornwall) Shardlow, Hague, Holmes, Capenhurst (Derbyshire) Smith, Jennnings, Keylock, Bullock (Gloucestershire)

Thelma

Thelma Report 21 Jun 2008 16:21

Further investigation
1861
Samuel Baber Mary Ann abt 1834 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Head Hammersmith, Middlesex
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
marriage???
Samuel Baber 1859 Jul-Aug-Sep Chelsea (1841-
Mary Ann Charlton

jerseylily

jerseylily Report 21 Jun 2008 18:03

Thanks Jim, that rules that one out as a mis-transciption.
I have the family in 1861 transcribed as Bassebe.
According to great granny Rosina's birth certificate parents were Samuel Basebe (carpenter) and Jane Basebe formerly Browne.
I suppose it's always possible that Samuel and Jane just said they were married which is really going to stop my research dead in it's tracks!

What do you think of this one as a possibility for Jane in 1851?

Jane Brown abt 1833 Dublin, Ireland Niece Chelsea, Middlesex.
She's with a family called Hedderley and the mother comes from Ireland.

The d.o.b. is a little bit out as I have her as 1836 but I gather that's not unusual.

Pam

Researching:
Basébé, Butcher, Johnson, Dubber (London) Milford (Devon and Cornwall) Shardlow, Hague, Holmes, Capenhurst (Derbyshire) Smith, Jennnings, Keylock, Bullock (Gloucestershire)