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Thank you to you both for all the info greatly appreciated looks like given you two something to talk about. Thanks Reggie didn't realise they dnt notify you (these newbies) once again thank you am going to take myself to records office to get to the bottom of it I think Sam x

Yes, I wondered if there was some kind of rift.

Ozi.

Ref BTW........no, nor do I! Perhaps she didn't like her stepmother, and refused to be classified as her 'daughter'............

My refreshment is cold........in a glass! Different time of day, of course!

Ah, Reggie. I have a husband that brings my liquid refreshment to me!

I'm drinking a nice, hot cup of tea at the moment.

Ozi.

BTW: I still don't understand why Selina is a niece.

Looks good, Ozi, but I think we're 'talking amongst ourselves'....as the saying goes!

I'd got as far as finding Selina's death........but a break for liquid refreshment was a priority!!

Reg

Is this a possible scenario? If so, it looks like Elsie is her only child.

Deaths Jun 1894
Underhill Selina 40 Stourbridge 6c 88


Marriages Sep 1895
George William Dudley 6c 20
Smith Thersa Dudley 6c 20
Smith Therza Dudley 6c 20
...>>>Underhill James Dudley 6c 20
...>>>Watts Alice Dudley 6c 20


Deaths Sep 1900
Underhill James 48 Stourbridge 6c 118

Different Joseph & Alice [although I think there's some fiddling with their ages!]

1901 England Census
Name: Alice Underhill
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Dudley

Civil Parish: Great Berkhampstead
Ecclesiastical parish: Great Berkhampstead St Peter
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street address: 5 Station Road

Occupation:

Registration district: Berkhampstead
Sub registration district: Berkhampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 233
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Underhill 36 - wood boat builder; Tipton [same as 1891]
Alice Underhill 33

James could easily be a brother or a cousin using family names, but I see what you mean. Selina is clearly marked as a niece though.

Ozi.

Name: Fanny Underhill
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 0
District: Stourbridge
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 114

Name: Selina Underhill
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 40
District: Stourbridge
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 88

There's something odd about this 1891 entry.............the names etc of most of the children match the 1901 above............but the mother's name doesn't

BUT........I can't find an Alice Underhill in 1891 with a family to fit the 1901 info

Name: Joseph Underhill
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Selina
Gender: Male
Where born: Brierly Hill, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Kingswinford
Ecclesiastical parish: Brierly Hill
Town: Brierly Hill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub registration district: Kingswinford
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
>>>Arthur Underhill 4
Fanny Underhill 4/12
>>>George Underhill 2
James Underhill 38
>>>Joseph Underhill 7
Mary Ann Underhill 12
Selina Underhill 39
Selina Underhill 10
>>>William Underhill 5

This cert would tell you the father's name..............

Name: Arthur Underhill
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Stourbridge
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 205

1901.........so we have all the info

Name: Alice Underhill
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Dudley, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Brierley Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: Brierley Hill St Michael
Town: Brierly Hill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub registration district: Kingswinford
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 62
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Underhill 42 Widow
Arthur Underhill 13
Elsie Underhill 4
George Underhill 11
Harry Underhill 7
Joseph Underhill 17
Joseph Underhill 34 Boarder
Salina Underhill 19 Niece
William Underhill 15

All sons and daughters born Brierley Hill

??1891 England Census
about Alice Underhill
Name: Alice Underhill
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Dudley, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Northchurch or Berkhampstead St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Northchurch
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Berkhampstead
Sub registration district: Berkhampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Underhill 33
Joseph Underhill 30


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What was his name ?

Have traced through 1901 census a Alice Underhill 42 from Dudley, Staffs can't find her husband from the 1891 census any help would be great don't have any information for him at all.