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Reggie,

Just found your last comment. Been away so didn't see it. If she is the daughter of Michael's first wife Have no idea where to look. Cannot find Michael's marriage cert so no idea of his first wife's name. But surely if this was the case I should have found her under Morran ! What do you think?

It occurred to me that Rose may, in fact, be Michael's daughter by his first wife.......you did say that he was a widower when he married Matilda?

Perhaps the search has been in the wrong direction.............

Seems very odd doesn't it!

Looks like the youngest daughter's birth was registered.......

Name: Alice Maud Moran
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Wolverhampton
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6b
Page: 512

It seems odd that they don't appear to be on 1861 census..............I can't find them, anyway!

Thank You all. Added a bit to my knowledge. Just really wanted to discover my Gt Gt Grandmother's birth certificate . Oh Well I will keep looking.

As I stated earlier, registration wasn't compulsory then.......and if the child was illegitimate, it was even more unlikely............

Could this possibly be her previous marriage registered as Cornfield? It's from BVRI:

DUNN, Samuel Age: 22 Marriage
Wife: Matilda CORNFIELD Age: 20
Marriage Date: 18 May 1851 Recorded in: Sedgley, Staffordshire, England
Husband's Father: William Price DUNN
Wife's Father: Benjamin CORNFIELD
Source: FHL Film Dates: 1849 - 1856

Mother's first marriage?

Matilda Cornfield 1851 Apr-May-Jun Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire

Samuel Dunn 1851 Apr-May-Jun Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire

Reg

Reggie - Thank you. I was reading it at Corfield.

1851 for the mother

Name: Matilda Cornfield
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Benjn
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Dudley, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Dudley
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Dudley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England



Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 117
Household Members: Name Age
Benjn Cornfield 43
Elizabeth Cornfield 47
Emanuell Cornfield 14
Matilda Cornfield 19

Thanks guys but still cannot find birth certificate for Rose born c1960/61 in Woverhampton. I'm stumped !

1871 census

Name: Matilda Moran
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Michael
Gender: Female
Where born: Dudley, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Wolverhampton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Household schedule number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Alice M Moran 2
Matilda Moran 39
Michael Moran 41 b. Mayo Ireland
Rose Moran 10 b. Wolverhampton
Sarah Moran 8

Marriage of mother?

Matilda Dunn 1863 Apr-May-Jun Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
Michael Morran 1863 Apr-May-Jun Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands

When did she marry? Who did she marry?

What do censuses say about her birthplace?

Registration of births wasn't compulsory until 1875...........

Looking for the birth certificate for Rose Marian MORRAN or is it DUNN born c 1860 in Staffordshire or Ireland. Sorry guys not much info. Her marriage certificate gives her father as Michael MORRAN but her ?parents married 3 years after her birth. On their marriage certificate it says widow and widower. Mother's previous married name was DUNN maiden name CORFIELD. Cannot find a birth registered in any of these names. Can anyone help?