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Hi Guys,
These Mcdonalds are very complex but one of the best sites I have looked at for Irish links is the Irish History Foundation. Give it a look and see what you think,
Cheers,
Lynda

margaret i think i did go down the wrong track with michael so the irish route is not now relevant.thank you for pointing me towards angus. i will now have to look into his relatives and their spouses.

Have you found Michael McDonald 1842 Ireland on any later census after 1851?

Ralph B Mc Donald born 1867 Jarrow. If this is your gt grandfather then his fathers name is Angus born 1840 Scotland .Mother Dorothy 1841 Newcastle according to the 1871 census.

Where does Michael fit in?

You really need to buy Ralph Bainbridge McDonald marriage cert to verify who his father is or you could be going down the wrong track.

You need to buy certs from what you know to be true and work backwards checking on the census as you go

Brian.
The Angus McDonnell on the 1901 census is yours mistranscribed. Correct place of birth and occupation. Correct wife . Also the address 262 High St Jarrow is the same as in 1891

No idea about Irish info. need some of that myself..

Do you know when, approx., that he married Mary.
Or where they lived?
Have you got them on a census record?

yes julie that is definately him thanks very much.the writing in the copy of the census i have is attrocious.
have you any ideas how to access irish records. i tried the mormons site but it gave me to many options.

brian

Is this him...

1851 England Census about Michael McDonald
Name: Michael McDonald
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Owen
Mother's Name: Bridget
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Lanchester
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: B Edge
Registration district: Durham(Street Indexed)
Sub-registration district: Tanfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a

Household schedule number: 96
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Martin 24 Visitor, b. Ireland
Ann McDonald 7 b. Ireland
Bridget McDonald 28 b. Ireland
John McDonald 3
Michael McDonald 9
Owen McDonald 30 Labourer b. Ireland
Thomas McDonald 5

i am now looking for info on michael mcdonald.he was born in 1842 probably in ireland but moved to co. durham when he was a child. he was married to mary(maiden name as yet unknown),his mothers name was bridget but his fathers name is illegible to me in the 1851 census.

again julie many thanks.

brian

When I did a census check for Elizabeth Varty/Guy, there was a Guy but married. So, I think that varty is more possible.

Get this certificate and it should have mothers maiden name on it, then you will know for sure.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about William Hilton B McDonald
Name: William Hilton B McDonald
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Gateshead
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 947

thank you julie i will need to do some research to find out whether my great gran elizabeth was a varty or a guy.

thanks

brian

You asked about their spouces....

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983 about Ralph Bainbridge McDonald
Name: Ralph Bainbridge McDonald
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: South Shields
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 910 ......Elizabeth .....?? Varty or Guy..? both on page

1901 England Census about Elizabeth Mc Donald
Name: Elizabeth Mc Donald
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Ralph Bainbridge
Gender: Female
Where born: Jarrow, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Chad
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: 38 Trevethick street

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 19

Household schedule number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Dorothy Mc Donald 4
Elizabeth Mc Donald 35
Ralph Bainbridge Mc Donald 34 Joiners Carp.
Ralph Daiveridge Mc Donald 8 months (Bainbridge on original)
Wm Hilton Beveridge Mc Donald 6

Elizabeth... Varty or Guy... b. 1866 Jarrow...

1891 England Census about Elizabeth Varty
Name: Elizabeth Varty
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Matthew
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Jarrow, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
Town: Jarrow
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: 34 High Street
Occupation: G? Assistant
Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 7

Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Varty 25
Helen L Varty 12
Jane Varty 53
Mary Varty 19
Matthew Varty 58 Labourer, Shipyard
Robert Varty 22 Labourer, Shipyard

hi,many thanks for the information many of these people are indeed my relatives though i don't think that the mcdonnells are unless it has been misspelt. i will check this out.
again many thanks

brian

These could be related to you

1901 CENSUS.
Ralph Bainbridge McDonald 1867 Jarrow occ joiner.
Elizabeth wife 1866 Jarrow.
William Hilton Beveridge Mc Donald son 1895 Gateshead.
Dorothy 1897 Gateshead
Ralph Bainbridge Mc Donald 3 months( says 8 months but image says 3)

address 38 Trevethick St Gateshead.

births.
Dorothy Bainbridge Mc Donald 1896 dec qt Gateshead gro ref 10a 968.

Ralph Bainbridge Mc Donald 1867 mar qt South Shields gro ref 10a 623.

Ralph Bainbridge Mc Donald 1901 mar qt Gateshead gro ref 10a 968.

Something doesnt make sense. How can Dorothy born 1896 and Ralph born 1901 have the same reg no. 10a 968.

Ralph Bainbridge McDonald married 1894 mar qt South Shields gro ref 10a 910. 2 possible spouses.Elizabeth Varty or Elizabeth Guy


1891 census.
Angus McDonald 1841 Scotland.occ auctioneer
Dorothy wife 1841 Newcastle.
Ralph B McDonald 1867 Jarrow occ ships joiner

address 262 High St Jarrow

1881 census there is also
MaryGeorgina dau 1865 Newcastle
Angus is auctioneer and upholsterer
address 256 & 258 High St Jarrow


1871 census still the same children


1901 census.
Mary A Beveridge head widow 1833 Newcastle.
Dorothy Mc Donald visitor married 1841 Newcastle

Beveridge is used as a middle name for Ralph's children

address 247 Stanton St Newcastle


1901 census.
Angus Mc Donnell 1841 Scotland.occ upholsterer
Dorothy Mc Donnell wife 1841 Newcastle

address 262 High St Jarrow.

Looks like Dorothy has been put on the census twice.

already did that lindsey but cant get beyond michael as he is from ireland but thanks for the tip.

Suggest you search trees on ancestry.. worth a try

i am trying to trace my fathers ancestral line he was ralph marshall mcdonald born gateshead 1933.also ralph bainbridge mcdonald(his father),ralph bainbridge mcdonald(his grandfather),michael mcdonald(great grandfather and probably irish).i would also be greatful for information on there spouses.