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can someone help untangle me please,as not sure whom in looking for now,have been double checking my tree,and noticed my grt grandmother was married before but am now not sure im looking for,can you help,i thought i had her marridge cert to my grt grandfather, as i have the marridge 13 feb 1852,date but cant seem to place it ,on my granfathers birth cert 1875 it says mother emma marie hicklin late chapman formerly phillips.am i looking for previous husband chapman,when she was a phillips or phillips when she was a chapman,i did find a marridge for a william chapman to an emma but it was the year after she married my hicklin, can anyone untangle me please,thanks kim

what area was this ,have you found her on 1851 census as Chapman

just a thought its rather a big gap between marriage in 1852 and the birth of grandfather in 1875 ??

A few more names would be a help

I presume this is the Chapman marraige you were referring to. What was your grandfather's name?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1853 (>99%)
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CHAPMAN William Stepney 1c 824
MORGAN Mary Ann Elizabeth Stepney 1c 824
PHILLIPS Emma Maria Stepney 1c 824
TODD Henry Stepney 1c 824

havent found her on 1851census thats where i was looking then got confused as to what her surname would be,i have no birth area for her,john my grandfather was from rotherby leicester, they were married in burton on trent staffordshire, moved to tottenham london but i have her death as burton thanks for looking shirley

yep, thats the one i found but that works out a year after the date i have for the marridge to my granfather. my grandparents names were emma chapman b 1830, john hicklin b 1840. married 1852 burton on trent,he died 1892, she died 1903,thanks k

So this is the couple in 1871?

Name: Emma Hicklin
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Southamingham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Stoke Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 198
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Hicklin 32
Harriett Hicklin 15
John Hicklin 32 b Rotherbury Leics Plumber

i have the first child born 1860 thats 8 years after the marridge, yeh i know seems along time,now got even more doubts on this line
i have john born 1860
william 1862
ernest 1864
flora marie 1864
hugo john 1874.

1881 for ref only

Name: John Hickling
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Rotherby, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Newington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: Monarch
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Plumber

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Stoke Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Garndon 26
Emma Hickling 43
Hugo J. Hickling 5
John Hickling 46
Alfred Ward 16

1871 i have them in bow.thats mine in 81

ok. even more confused now, am going to wipe the lot and start again from facts i do have infront of me as i have just found another surname for her, that of durose,either she enjoyed a wedding or im well up the messed up here

Well if it is Durose we could be related. Could you post details you think could be them in 1871 and do you have Hugo's birth cert

well if she was 43 in 1881 makes her born c 1838 so in 1852 she would only be 14. I know they could marry at 14 but still a second marriage at 14 doesnt seem likely

yes i have hugos birth cert,have we had contact before looking for 71 now
hugo born 24 october 1875, green lanes stoke newington, father john born 1840 10 december rotherby

John Hicklin
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Robeathey, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England

The 1871 details I found also list John as a plumber as in 1881

the harriet that was found here before, i ahve now found as a stepdaughter,stated on his death cert,by time of his death was harriet gambler,1892

So Harriet b Bromley in Bow in 1871 could have been a child of the first marraige to Mr Chapman as detailed below and the marriage a couple of years before in Stepney could have been their marraige, but what happened to the couple in 1861?

Births Mar 1856 (>99%)
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CHAPMAN Harriett Maria Poplar 1c 651

i seem to have lost them in 61 but i have a note of chesterfield prison for john, cant see why i would have notes on him there and not followed up her,.

k. have we had contact before? is there connection here please

have to get off here in minute as the monsters are surfacing now, will be back later to check on posts here, k have left message for you,thanks fto those who helped out here

Kim

I have replied to your message. I would think the 1853 marriage you found is Emma's first marriage. I couldn't find a second marriage to John Hicklin, but there may not have been one. I suppose the way forward is the 1853 marriage cert which would give Emma's father's name

It is possible that John and Emma were not together in 1861 and only united shortly prior to 1871 as their first child wasn't born till 1875. I couldn't find any of the other younger children you refer to

Must also go and check the sheep for more lambs

Good Luck and Best Wishes Kay