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Hi Diane,

Know the feeling. I have a marriage cert that states soldier and 3 months later on a birth cert it says general labourer - who knows why. If I remember rightly the James in question came to London very early on, so he could have been from a farming family.

Good luck on the rest of your search.

Juliet

Juliet, thanks very much for trying.. I had dismissed the London James due to occupation..

Its a bit frustrating, as you're never 100% sure on father's details on marriage certs, and its a common name.. and its London.. and lots of girls came into London from farming families for domestic service, so its a needle in a haystack!

Your time is appreciated though.

thanks again,

Diane

Unfortunately nothing more.

Juliet

Looking back over this I see you said that James was supposed to be a farmer. I honestly don't know what a Commercial Clerk is, but farmer sounds much better. I'll see what I can unearth with this.

Juliet

This is the death record of James which fits - I hope.

James Evans
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 58
District: Wandsworth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 387 (click to see others on page)

Juliet

Looking at the original Florence is 10 months old. Dad James is a commercial clerk born Surrey, Prestow? Presumably thay called son James, John later to avoid confusion.

Just a thought.

Juliet

Found this for 1891

Florence E Evans
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Leyton
Ecclesiastical parish: Leyton St Mary
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:
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Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Leyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members: Name Age
James Brambley
26
Edith M Evans
8
Elizabeth Evans
57
Elizabeth E Evans
17
Florence E Evans
10
John J Evans
14

Decided to follow it back to see if I could find a James and this is what I found for 1881 for Elizabeth E - was 17 now 7

Elizabeth E. Evans
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St John Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 6 Brookfield Rd
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 14a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Evans 41
Elizabeth E. Evans 7
Florence E. Evans
James Evans 41
James F.G. Evans 4

Does this help at all?

Juliet

Snap..... Rose :-)

Regards Vera

Diane,
Who were the witness's on the marriage certificate.

Regards Vera

Rose - witnesses not a lot of help :

F Collins ?!?!

Emma Heastman - have found her in the census living in Hackney .. but no apparent connection to Florence.

do you have the witness name?

hi diana
i have check on the deaths of james evans hackney there was a couple one was 1902 dec quarter aged 55 the other was james thomas 1890 age 35

Vera - thanks for trying!

Have to go out.. but will look back later.. many thanks for any ideas, otherwise I will have to wait for the 1911 census to see where her place of birth was!!

Hi Diane,
Found this family....

will check 1891

Florence E. Evans
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Newport, Monmouth, Wales

Civil Parish: Madley
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England

Street address: Swinmore Villa
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hereford
Sub-registration district: Madley
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Evans 33
Florence E. Evans 3
George Evans 28
George S. Evans 1
Julia R.E. Evans 4
Mary A. Niblett 62
William Randle 18


Fathers occupation farmer..

Regards Vera

Vera, my problem is there are several Florence Evans in London in 1901, but I have no way of verifying them to be correct.

I have looked through them all, but none are at her marital address, so from then on I am just guessing?!

:-s

Reg - there are also a lot of births with no middle name.. just Florence Evans, presumably it could have been any of those too? I am wondering about whether to send for those 2 with a ref check on father James.. and yes, I did wonder if James was a fabrication..

Juliet - thankyou, no I hadn't found that one, but no occupation given for her at marriage, so I don't think it would be her, but a good find though!

Thanks both..

I wonder if this is her in 1901
Name: Florence Evans
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Chalk Farm, London, England

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas the Apostle Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: North Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 195
Household Members: Name Age
Edith Carry 23
Harry Ellis 36
Leslie Ellis 2
Margaret Ellis 33
Norah Ellis 6
Sophia Ellis 4
Florence Evans 21


Regards Vera

Found this one?

1901
Florence Elizabeth Evans
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Officer
Gender: Female
Where born: Wing, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Watford
Ecclesiastical parish: Leavesden All Saints
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Watford
Sub-registration district: Rickmansworth
ED, institution, or vessel: Metropolitan Asylum Leavesden
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Florence Elizabeth Evans 23


Juliet

Possble births...based on declared age at marriage

Florence Elizabeth Evans 1880 Apr-May-Jun Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands

Florence Elizabeth Evans 1879 Apr-May-Jun Carnarvon Anglesey, Caernarvonshire

Of course, the 'deceased' father may have been dreamed up for the sake of propriety........

Reg

I need a fresh look for some ideas:

I have a marriage certificate arrived today, which was supposed to help me find the parents of Florence Elizabeth Evans, but I am still stuck.

Marriage was 18/04/1903, Florence is a 23yo spinster. Father given as James Evans dec'd, a farmer.

Her address at marriage is 2, Warlborough Road, Wood Green, which I have checked, and existed in 1930, but doesn't seem to today.

The marriage was at Hackney register office.

I can't find Florence with James in the 81/91 census, or in 1901 with her father, or on her own at the Wood Green address. The Florence who is a daughter of James in Worcestershire, cross references to a birth record of a Florence May Evans, so I don't think she is the right one.

what else can I do to try to find her?

I have no idea where she may have come from!