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Received some information regarding distant relatives from my still living aunt in England.
Regarding Eric Raymond Summers b 1905 she says, . . "he had a sister Mabel and a brother Bill . . .we used to stay with uncle Bill at Boughton, Northampton."
So . . .the best birth records I can find for Mabel is Mabel Clara S Summers Towcester Sep 1907 3b 9 and Bill as William Leslie Summers Towcester Sep 1909 3b 11 and . .. and I can't find either one in the 1911 census.

Anyone do better than that it would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Garry

SUMMERS ERIC RAYMAN M 1906 5 Towcester Northamptonshire

Makes the "living with" search easy. ;)

SUMMERS JOHN 1849 62
SUMMERS SEELINA 1850 61
SUMMERS THOMAS 1877 34


It would help if you could tell us the children's parents' names -- or is that what you're looking for?

If Thomas is their father (I don't pay to access details), possibly he was widowed and the younger children were with maternal grandparents?

1911 census - household transcription
Person: SUMMERS, Eric Rayman
Address: Cattle End Silverstone Towcester

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SUMMERS, John Head Married M 62 1849 Farm Labourer Northants King Sutton VIEW
SUMMERS, Seelina Wife Married
39 years F 61 1850 Northants Silverstone VIEW
SUMMERS, Thomas Son Widower M 34 1877 Farm Labourer Northants Whittlebury VIEW
SUMMERS, Eric Rayman Son Grandson M 5 1906 Northants Silverstone VIEW

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Marriages Dec 1903
Hobbs John Winslow 3a 1569
James Miriam Mary Winslow 3a 1569
> Mackerness Julia Doris Winslow 3a 1569
> SUMMERS John Thomas Winslow 3a 1569

Deaths Mar 1910
Summers Julia Doris 32 Towcester 3b 8

SUMMER MABEL 1908 3 Winslow Buckinghamshire

living with

MACKERNESS CLARA 1840 71
MACKERNESS SARAH 1865 46

(edited because it seemed I muddled two households, when jax got the details)

Wrong one, jax -- I tried that one first. ;)

Worked from the death backward to the marriage, actually.

Garry, like the other 99%, didn't read the guidance post pinned at the top of the (complete, not "surname") TTF board, and posted and ran, it seems ...

No other deaths in the area that would fit so I shall delete it

jax

1911 census - household transcription
Person: SUMMER, Mabel
Address: Church Lane Whaddon Bletchley

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MACKERNESS, Clara Head Widow F 71 1840 Bucks Little Horwood VIEW
MACKERNESS, Sarah Daughter Single F 46 1865 Dressmaker Bucks Whaddon VIEW
SUMMER, Mabel Granddaughter F 3 1908 Northants Silverstone VIEW

BRICE WILLIAM 1910 1 Towcester Northamptonshire
BRICE ANNIE 1875 36
BRICE PERCIVAL 1877 34
BRICE GERTRUDE 1905 6
BRICE MABEL F 1904 7
BRICE FLORENCE 1908 3


Interesting because Mabel Brice is accounted for in births in Towcester but there's no William Brice born anytime around then, anywhere around there.

Might there be a connection with the Brice family, and they were caring for the youngest?

Marriages Jun 1903
Brice Percival Towcester 3b 52
Major Annie Towcester 3b 52

Just looked at that census william and mabel are their children

7 children 4 living
jax


1911 census - household transcription
Person: BRICE, William
Address: Puddle Dock Towcester

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BRICE, Percival Head Married M 34 1877 Farm Labourer Towcester Northeston VIEW
BRICE, Annie Wife Married
7 years F 36 1875 Parenty Northeston VIEW
BRICE, Mabel Daughter F 7 1904 Towcester Northeston VIEW
BRICE, Gertrude Daughter F 6 1905 Towcester Northeston VIEW
BRICE, Florence Daughter F 3 1908 Towcester Northeston VIEW
BRICE, William Son M 1 1910 Towcester Northeston VIEW

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Well, they could have fudged ... ;)

There really isn't a Brice birth to fit -- check FreeBMD, surname Brice, Towcester, 1908-1911, or William Brice, anywhere -- not for miles around.

Garry has posted a new thread to us. I've explained Reply.

Hi jax, janeycanuck,

Too many buttons to click . . .slowly getting the hang of it

I did get that you found Mabel. Yee haa

Thanks

It's the most badly-designed, badly managed website / discussion board in the western world, in two centuries.

I have to give up on William for now; nearly midnight here in Canuckistan and work to finish for the a.m.

I'll let jax shoot down my William Brice theory definitively and find her own William Summers. ;)

sorry 5 am here bed for me now cannot see anything, sometimes its always worth looking at the origanal as I found husbands grandmother recorded but they did,nt transcribe it nor have FMP altered the record when I told them huh

jax

Hi Janeycanuck,

Whereabouts are you in Canuckistan. I'm in the "west end" Only 9:00 pm here.

Thanks again,

Garry

btw, Garry -- in your spare thread, you said you had all the info on Eric Raymond.

Well you see, we didn't, and you didn't give it to us. And we needed it.

The fact that his father was a widower was a crucial bit of info. I had to find Eric in the 1911 in order to see that that was a strong likelihood, then find the mother's death, then the parents' marriage, then hunt for a Mabel living with the maternal grandparents ...

Just for future ref. Always give complete info.


Oops, I didn't see page 2 till I posted this.

Effete Central Canuckistan. Our SyviaInCanada, a regular here, is in lotusland, but she's off frolicking at her cottage or cabin or whatever you call them out there this week.

I have got to get some work done ...

Just to help out for when Jax and Janie return

MACKERNESS, Emmanuel Head Married M 43 1868 Painters Labourer Bucks Whaddon VIEW
MACKERNESS, Laura Wife Married
13 years F 40 1871 Bucks Chackmore VIEW
MACKERNESS, Frank Son M 13 1898 Bakers Boy Bucks Stantonbury VIEW
MACKERNESS, Herbert Son M 11 1900 School Bucks Stantonbury VIEW
MACKERNESS, William Son M 6 1905 Bucks Stantonbury VIEW
MACKERNESS, Evelyn Daughter F 4 1907 Bucks Stantonbury VIEW
MACKERNESS, Phyllis Daughter F 2 1909 Bucks Wolverton VIEW
>>>SUMMERS, Wellie Nephew M 1 1910 North Hants Silverstone VIEW

Registration District:
Potterspury Sub District:
Potterspury Enumeration District:
16 Parish:
Wolverton

Address:
33 Peel Road Wolverton Buckinghamshire County:
Northamptonshire

Janey is on her way out the door!

Fab, Astra. Aren't we just the bee's knees. ;)

Garry 21st January 2008 19:25 Request review
Anyone look up for me please the death of Eric Raymond Summers.

He ws born April 5, 1905 Towcester, Northampton to mother Julia Doris Summers (Mackerness) and father John Thomas Summers.

The only death I can find on BMD is 6 d 1392 Warwick Q2

Anyone come up with anything different?

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Garry 21st January 2008 20:02 Request review
Ooops, sorry
1940 is the only one I can find.

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