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I am unable to pinpoint Herbert in 1891 or 1901 - can anyone help me please? I know he was definitely alive in 1896 as he was a witness on his brother's marriage cert.

Details 1881 as follows (also have him 1871, Studley then seems to be in Warwickshire!)

1881 England Census

Name: Herbert Smith
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Reuben
Mother's Name: Fanny
Gender: Male
Where born: Studley, Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Harborne
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 220 Rolfe Street

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Harborne

Reuben Smith 44
Fanny Smith 36
Herbert Smith 12
Alfred Smith 9
Anne M. Smith 4
(plus a few others!)


He has left home by 1881 as I have found his family then.

Many thanks.

Jan

Herbert Smith
Birth
abt 1869
in
Worcestershire,
England
Death
Parents & Siblings Reuben Smith (1836-) Fanny Dangerfield (1845-)
Spouse & Children No Spouse or ChildrenSave this person to your tree
1869
abtBirth
Studley,
Worcestershire,
England
1881 England Census
1891 England Census
Age: 12 Residence
Harborne
Staffordshire,
England
1881 England Census
Age: 22 Residence
Harborne,
Staffordshire,
Englandcitation
1891 England Census.
Family Members Parents Reuben Smith 1836 – Fanny Dangerfield 1845 – Show siblings
Hide siblings Thomas Dangerfield 1863 – George Dangerfield 1868 – Jane Dangerfield 1870 – Hannah Dangerfield 1871 – Sarah Dangerfield 1873 – Alfred Smith 1873 – Emma Dangerfield 1877 – Anne M. Smith 1877 – Spouse & Children
No Spouse or Children

starr1, can you say what that is??

An Ancestry family tree is my guess, but that's just a guess. Hard to say what it's saying!

Age: 22 Residence
Harborne,
Staffordshire,
Englandcitation
1891 England Census. ?


That would seem to be referring to this one:

Name: Herbert Smith
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Smethwick, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Harborne

William Goodhall 31
Fanny Goodhall 30
William Goodhall 3/12
Herbert Smith 22

Hi both - thanks for input.

Janey, I am intrigued by Starr1's info too! Starr1, I've asked you before how you have come up with this kind of information, and I think you told me it was on ancestry, but that's all as far as I recall. You are getting the right info somewhere as Reuben (Herbert's father) did indeed re-marry to a Fanny Dangerfield. It took me some time to come up with this so I would love to know how you did it - please put me/us out of our misery!! It doesn't look like census info at all to me - is it from a family tree? Possibly mine??
I do appreciate your input, the only thing is I know for sure that he was not with Reuben and Fanny in 1891.

Janey, thanks for that - how did I miss it? Looks a very good possibility to me. The name Goodhall rings a bell somewhere too, though not quite sure where!

Might I please impose on you a little more and ask if you can have a peek at 1901 too?

Thanks heaps.

Jan

ancestry census
Herbert Smith
Name: Herbert Smith
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Reuben
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Studley, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Wootton Wawen
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stratford Upon Avon
Sub-registration district: Wootton Wawen
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Reuben Smith 34
Ann Smith 33
Herbert Smith 2

I did try 1901, with that Smethwick place of birth too, and unfortunately, no luck.

I don't know my English geography all that well without a map ... there's one in 1901 born in Burslem, but he has an 11-yr-old kid. One born in Hanley 1870, one born in Hearthorne 1867, one born in Handsworth 1867 visiting some Duffs in Suffolk. After that the birthdates are more wildly off.

And one born in Stoke Prior 1869, who is a Grocer with sister Amy.

The Herbert in 1891 was a boot maker, if that helps.

Thanks very much Janey. The Handsworth Herbert is the best bet as Smethwick is close to Handsworth, both have moved around a lot regarding where they come under! Smethwick is now Sandwell and Handsworth comes under Birmingham. I'll have a closer look at Herbert now.
Thanks for looking, much appreciated.
Jan

Here's that guy (not sure whether you have access):


Well, no, I won't bother. He was a clergyman. ;)

The head of household was a hospital nurse, with her independent means mother, and there were a load of well-off visitors, and domestics (Duffs were actually nurse and domestic). A private care facility? Or just somebody having a social weekend? Not your Herbert, anyhow, I'd imagine!

Thanks so much for checking Janey - unlikely in the extreme that we would have a clergyman in the family, so you have saved me wasting time by perhaps wasting your own!! I think Herbert has gone on the run!
Thanks for your efforts.
Jan

You're welcome!

My Smiths are Nottinghamshire and, hmm, Cornwall, I think, so if you run into any of them in your travels, let me know. ;)

-- Actually, my Notts grx2 grfather c1825 may have been a Reuben Smith - his mother was a Smith, and I haven't found his birth anywhere as Cooper, her husband, despite all his other siblings being Coopers ... and he himself didn't marry until he was 45 and all his kids were long born! Aren't they fun, those ancestors ...

Janey, the Smith's - actually my husband's ancestors - seem to have originated in the Worcestershire area as far as I can tell. No Nottingham links so far! Would be a funny co-incidence if you do indeed have a Reuben.
I have found the Smith family reasonably easy to trace, which has surprised me. The less common Myatt has been a nightmare, mainly because they went for very conventional 1st names. Very inconsiderate of them, did they give no thought to their descendants?!
Jan