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We have a William J Scallon( b1894 in Monton/Eccles near Manchester) as a grandfather on our tree. We believe his parents were Patrick and Anastacia from Ireland born about 1850. Does anyone know about his grandparents or wife who may have Ellen?

for reference...

1901 England Census about William J Scallon
Name: William J Scallon
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Patrick
Mother's Name: Anastacia
Gender: Male
Where born: Monton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Eccles
Ecclesiastical parish: Eccles St Andrew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:
Occupation:


Registration district: Barton upon Irwell
Sub-registration district: Barton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 205
Household Members: Name Age
Patrick Scallon 50
Anastacia Scallon 44
Mary Scallon 23
Ellen Scallon 22
John W Scallon 20
Catherine Scallon 16
Esther Scallon 12
William J Scallon 7
Anastacia Scallon 5

1901 census transcription details for: 163, Monton Road, Eccles
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 3658 Folio: 87 Page: 30

Reg. District: Barton upon Irwell Sub District: Barton
Parish: Eccles Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: Eccles St Andrew's City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 163, Monton Road, Eccles
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
SCALLON, Patrick Head Married M 50 1851 Joiner
Ireland
SCALLON, Anastasia Wife Married F 44 1857
Ireland
SCALLON, Mary Daughter Single F 23 1878 Cotton Weaver
Ireland
SCALLON, Ellen Daughter Single F 22 1879 Dressmaker
Eccles
Lancashire
SCALLON, John W Son Single M 20 1881 Butchers Assistant
Patricroft
Lancashire
SCALLON, Catherine Daughter Single F 16 1885 Dressmakers Apprentice
Monton
Lancashire
SCALLON, Esther Daughter F 12 1889 Scholar
Monton
Lancashire
SCALLON, William J Son M 7 1894 Scholar
Monton
Lancashire
SCALLON, Anastasia Daughter F 5 1896
Monton
Lancashire




1891 census transcription details for: 163, Monton Road, Barton Upon Irwell, Monton, Eccles
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 3154 Folio: 103 Page: 13

Reg. District: Barton upon Irwell Sub District: Barton
Parish: Barton upon Irwell Enum. District: 13
Ecclesiastical District: St Andrews City/Municipal Borough: Eccles
Address: 163, Monton Road, Barton Upon Irwell, Monton, Eccles County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation,
Disability Where Born
SEALAN, Patrick Head Married M 42 1849 Joiner
Ireland Naturalized B Subject
SEALAN, Anastasia Wife Married F 35 1856
Ireland Naturalized B Subject
SEALAN, Mary Daughter Single F 13 1878 Weaver Cotton
England
SEALAN, Ellen Daughter Single F 12 1879
England
SEALAN, John W Son Single M 10 1881
England
SEALAN, Christiana Daughter F 8 1883
England
SEALAN, Catherine Daughter F 6 1885
England
SEALAN, Esther A Daughter F 2 1889
England




1881 census transcription details for: 71, Slack Lane, Barton Upon Irwell
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 3883 Folio: 8 Page: 10

Reg. District: Barton upon Irwell Sub District: Barton
Parish: Barton upon Irwell Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 71, Slack Lane, Barton Upon Irwell
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
SCANLEN, Patrick Head Married M 29 1852 Joiner
Ireland
SCANLEN, Anastasia Wife Married F 25 1856
Ireland
SCANLEN, Ellen Daughter Single F 2 1879
Eccles
Lancashire
SCANLEN, John William Son Single M 0 1881
Patricroft
Lancashire

Searched for marriages from 1912 to 1920...

Marriages Sep 1918 (>99%)
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Phillips Helena Scullen Prestwich 8d 711
Scallon William Phillips Prestwich 8d 711

Harold

Just had a look at his military record - he was mentioned in despatches for 'valuable services' - google London Gazette and check the issue for 23rd August 1918.

Parents of this William Joseph Scallon are listed as Patrick and Anastacia. This one was born in and lived in Eccles but appears to have been sworn in in Manchester and joined the irish Rifles in Belfast in November 1914.

Address at time of attestation (and address for parents) - 18 Pleasant Road, Eccles, Manchester.

This is pure guess work.

You need to buy the marriage certificate to find Helena's fathers name

1901 England Census about Helena Phillips
Name: Helena Phillips
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Castle Baer, Ireland

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:
Occupation:

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 180
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Phillips 45 .. Commissioner (Pensioner)
Mary Phillips 42 .. Provisions Dealer
Sophia Phillips 7
Mary Phillips 6
Helena Phillips 3

There is a tree on Ancestry that has a William Scallon marrying Helena Phillips in Prestwich register Office, Manchester on 13th September 1918 and dying in Faulkner Street, Harpurhey, Manchester on 13th March 1970

BUT

the parents are listed as Stephen Scallan and Mary Toole.

This William Scallon was baptised in Wexford, Ireland in 1896 - born 16th June 1896 and baptised 17th June 1896.

The only one I can find in 1911 is Anastasia b. 1896 and she is at a catholic school as a student the address is Beechfield, Hardwick Square W (West??), Buxton, Derbyshire.

Wendy

Here is the birth registration for your William Joseph

Births Jun 1894 (>99%)
Scallan William Joseph Barton I. 8c 667

Barton I registration district covers Eccles


Have you considered this marriage in the Barton I registration district?

Marriages Dec 1921 (>99%)
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Blundell Alice Scallan Barton I. 8c 1264
Scallan William J Blundell Barton I. 8c 1264


I only suggest this as a possibility as the marriage on the Ancestry record has a definite date so its possible the owner has bought the marriage certificate which would give the name of the father.

1911

241 SEALLAN, Patrick Head Married M 62 1849 Joiner Wexford Ireland Resident VIEW
241 SEALLAN, Anastasia Wife Married 39 years F 56 1855 Wexford Wexford VIEW
241 SEALLAN, Catherine Daughter Single F 25 1886 Dressmaker Monton Eccles England VIEW
241 SEALLAN, Esther A Daughter Single F 21 1890 Mantle Saleswoman Monton Eccles England VIEW
241 SEALLAN, William Son Single M 17 1894 Clark Engineering Monton Eccles England VIEW
241 SEALLAN, Angela Daughter F 8 1903 Monton Eccles England VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23597 Reference:
RG14PN23597 RG78PN1375 RD463 SD2 ED14 SN241

Registration District:
Barton upon Irwell Sub District:
Barton Enumeration District:
14 Parish:
Eccles

Address:
18 Pleasant Road Eccles County:
Lancashire

There is this death for a William Joseph Scallon in Manchester, but birth date is 1896 and not 1894:-

Name: William Joseph Scallon
Birth Date: 16 Jun 1896
Death Registration Month/Year: 1970
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10e
Page: 1377

If this his him, then the cert. may have been registered by his widow.

EDIT:- just noticed the date of birth fits with the William Scallon that Ninjalady posted earlier, so is probably not him.

Can you give the names of any of William's children, please!

Well done Catherine with the 1911 I never saw that entry

Anastasia had 11 children 7 living and 4 died

Wendy x

Couldn't find anything by name, so checked out the address given on his Military Records.
Catherine

Possible children of William Joseph & Helena Phillips

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
Scallon William D Phillips Chorlton 8c 1738 Scan available - click to view
Births Dec 1921 (>99%)
Scallon Richard P Phillips Prestwich 8d 568 Scan available - click to view
Births Dec 1924 (>99%)
Scallon Raymond Phillips Prestwich 8d 484 Scan available - click to view
Births Jun 1928 (>99%)
Scallon Betty H Phillips Manchester S. 8d 110 Scan available - click to view
Births Sep 1930 (>99%)
Scallon Derrik Phillips Manchester S. 8d 147 Scan available - click to view

Wow, you lot are good.

Tenerife Sun your last entry is on the ball. These are, indeed, the children of William and Joseph. Derrik (died 1992) is actually my wife's father (estranged)

I'm just trying to piece it together. So William's parents are Patrick and Anastacia - I always suspected but is it now confirmed?
But I need to go through all the suggestions again to pin down Helena Philips.

Thanks everyone

All that this proves is that Patrick and Anastacia had a son called William J. Scallon.
Whether it is your William or not is another thing.

There was a William Scallon that married a Helena Phillips but you need to buy their marriage cert. to check the father's name and occupation to see if it is the same one.

What bothers me a little about this particular marriage record is the fact that this William is not noted with a middle name, but it wouldn't be the first time.
The marriage cert. will also give you Williams age so you can work out his date of birth. Witnesses may also be family members which could give you another proof.
Only after seeing the cert. will you be able to say if your William is the son of Patrick and Anastacia.

Okay Catherine I think you are right. And I have just come across the Ascentry tree mentioned earlier which has different Irish parents (Steven Scallan and Mary Toole). I've contacted the tree owner for clarification. At first sight it appears to fit in because the Scallan spelling is different and this had been passed to my wife. But unbelievably Patrick and Anastasia also got the spelling confused. What is it with these Scallons/Scallans/Seallans/Sealans?

I've lost the plot. What marriage certificate do I buy?

Harold,

You said that the list of children that "Tenerife Sun" gave you was the correct family.

So you need to buy their parents marriage certificte, which should give you Williams fathers name and hopefully his age.

Marriages Sep 1918 (>99%)
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Phillips Helena Scullen Prestwich 8d 711
Scallon William Phillips Prestwich 8d 711

You can buy certificates at ... www.gro.gov.uk

They cost £7 ( increasing to £9.25 from 6th April), and when asked if you have the GRO number tick YES

The GRO numbers are just the Volume & page numbers which I have given you here.

okay will do, thanks for your help