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Thanks to other GR members, I have established that my Jane HIND 1818, married George SANDERS c 1808 in 1845 at St Modwins, Burton on Trent.
Now I need help in finding out if they had any children, and if so, their details.

Sorry about that, I should have put Jane's place of birth. She was born at Burton on Trent.
I don't think your information is about her. She married a George SANDERS.
She was christened on 11/1/1818 at Burton on Trent.
But thanks for trying. I don't seem to be able to access the Census records for free, over here in Aust.

Daria, the difference between Sanders and Saunders is so small it is insignificant, so don't be put off by that by itself. The birthplace (Broseley I think looking at the original) is more of an issue. She might not have been born in Burton. I think this is still worth a look as location and George's age match well.
Do you have his occupation from the marriage cert?
Jan

Do you have the marriage cert?

You would be able to check the occupation of George and confirm if he was a batchelor or widower when he married.

1881 census is the only one that is free and then only the transcriptions

No I do not have an actual Marriage Cert - but referring back to a previous entry on "Trying to Find" on 14/3- Jane Hind-, a member kindly supplied full details of marriage. It is clearly stated that at the time of marriage in 1845 - the bride Jane Hind was 27 and the groom George Sanders was 37.
Jane was born in Burton on Trent, in 1818, the same year as her father died.
Her parents married in 1814 and her only sibling Joseph was born in 1815

Hi Daria,


Stapenhill is a stone throw away from BOT;

1851 England Census
about Jane Sanders
Name: Jane Sanders
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Stopentull, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: tea dealer and grocer

Condition as to marriage: WIDOW!!!

Disability: View image

Registration district: Wirral
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Sanders 32
Milnes Glover 27 cousin
William Burgess 17 cousin
Robert Baldwin 16 cousin
Edward Glover 13 cousin
Thomas Hind 5 >>>>>>>>> Nephew
Sarah Edwards 24 servant


Dee x

1881 England Census
about Jane Sanders
Name: Jane Sanders
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Stapenhill, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Liscard
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: String Hey Road 2 Bponte Villa
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Proprietor Of Houses

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Wallasey
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Sanders 65
Lizzie Bladon 21 Neice
James Bladon 18 Nephew
Thomas Bladon 13 Nephew




Dee x

A VERY poor census but it's her;

1871 England Census
about Jane Sannolear
Name: Jane Sannolear
[Jane Bludon]
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Stapenhill, Denbighshire, Wales
Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 213
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Sannolear 52
Mary Bludon 77 >>>>>>> MOTHER!!!! Born Mansfield, Nottingham
Kate Shepherd 41 Servant


Tea dealer as her occupation, martial status is Widower





Dee x

Wow ! You are so right! Jane's father is actually buried in the cemetery at Stapenhill, as are her grandparents.
And she obviously had no children, if the Census is anything to go by. Looks like Poor old George died, and she had to support herself by going "into trade"
Her mother's sister married Stephen Glover, so the two cousins fit, & Thomas Hind b1845 son of her brother Joseph would be correct. I have not come across the surnames Baldwin or Burgess before

1861 England Census
about Mary Bladon
Name: Mary Bladon
Age: 69
Estimated birth year: abt 1792
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Maasfield, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Burton Upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: St Modwen
Town: Burton Upon Trent
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Burton Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Burton Upon Trent
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 197
Household Members: Name Age
James Bladon 70
Mary Bladon 69

Hi Daria,


I think alittle knowledge of the BOT area helped here, I can smell the brewery now!!!!



So looks like her mother remarried?


Dee x

This maybe a red herring???

1841 England Census
about George Sanders
Name: George Sanders
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Dewsbury
Hundred: Agbrigg (Lower Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Dewsbury
Sub-registration district: Dewsbury
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Hind 25 GROCER
Jane Hind 20

Susannah Sanders 60
George Sanders 30 GROCER

George Waterhouse 15 Grocer
John Wilson 13 Grocer
Milnes Glover 15 >>>>>>>> With Jane on the 1851 census and listed as her cousin on that!!
Ann Field 15


Now the Hind's and the Sanders are 2 separate familes (as are the others), neither the Hinds or the Sanders were born in the County!!



Is this Your George with his mother and Jane with her brother? prior to marriage ???




Dee x

Hi Dee, I am amazed ! First to answer some of your questions - Mary Milnes 1792-1876 married my ancestor Jeramiah Hind in 1814. Their two children were Joseph H 1815 and Jane H 1818. Jeramiah died in 1818.
Mary re-married a few years later(I have the exact date somewhere) to James Bladon and went on to have more children.
It would seem that Joseph & Jane were living with her yet to be husband George Sanders and his mother Susannah.
I can assume that after George & Jane married, and then he died, she must have taken over the grocery business.
I wonder why her cousin Milnes Glover was with her also back in 1841 ?
You have filled in a lot of blanks, and added yet another page to my family history. Many thanks, Daria
PS I live in West Aust, was in Derbyshire last Sept, and am planning another trip to the uk in Sept 2011. Will certainly be visiting Burton on Trent/Stepenhill.

Once again I am researching this ancestor Jane Sanders nee Hind. Born in Jan 1818, to Jeramiah Hind and Mary Milnes at Burton on Trent.

Previously, others kindly supplied Census details, except for the 1861 one.
I would like to know who was with Jane that year. I am trying to locate her brother Joseph Hind c1815, who went to Australia in 1852 leaving his wife & children behind. Family history had it that he never returned to the UK and his wife did remarry in 1863.(Recods prove this)
I have not been able to find a record of his death in Oz.
I am now wondering if he did return to the UK, as I have found a Joseph Hind about right birthdate, who died on 28/4/1862 at Liverpool -Ford cemetery. I believe this is not far from Birkenhead, so thinking maybe he returned to his sister Jane's home, and not to his estranged wife?
I am in West Australia, so it is a bit difficult to find out a lot of things.

Hi Daria,

1861 England Census
about James Sanders Name: James Sanders
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Piece: 2639
Folio: 72
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
James Sanders 43 >> Widow, GROCER!!!
Milner Glover 37 >>> Partner, unmarried.
Mary Jane Hind 14 >> Niece
Richard Sumner 25
George Stekin 22
George R Bridge 20
Peter Bythell 16
Elisabeth Edwards 25


Address is Monk Street, same as the 1851 and 1871 census


Dee x

1851 England Census
about Joseph Wind Name: Joseph Wind
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Visitor
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Stephen Hill, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Lancaster
Ecclesiastical parish: Lancaster
Town: Lancaster
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Lancaster
Sub-registration district: Lancaster
ED, institution, or vessel: Her Majestys Gaol the Castle of Lancaster
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 2272
Folio: 251
Page Number: 3

Too many others to list.

Listed as Grocer and definately HIND on original image!!

No wonder I couldn't find Jane Sanders, didn't think to look for a James, although I did search under different variations, didn't think to try a male name !
As to Joseph HIND - who would have thought I should look under WIND!!

Looking at his entry for 1851 Census, I note the words "Her Majestys Gaol, the Castle of Lancaster " Does this mean he was in gaol???

This is very interesting. Does anyone know if it is possible to find out why ?
Looks like I may have discovered a family secret! Thanks so much for your help.

Hi Daria,

found this;

INSOLVENT COURT .
The Lancaster Gazette, and General Advertiser for Lancashire, Westmorland, Yorkshire, &c. (Lancaster, England), Saturday, April 19, 1851; pg. 3; Issue 3341. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.

The newspaper states;

" Manchester Provisions Dealer and Green Grocer, Formerly of Great An-coats Street, Manchester. Grocer and provisions dealer, and late Red bank, out of business."

Unfortunately I can't see anything else on this, but it does seem to tie in with your Joseph, especially as some of the children were born in Manchester.

I can see Joseph leaving the UK in 1852 but haven't found anything after this.


Dee x

Thanks so much, I thought it might be the case that he must have owed money and so sent to the Debtors Prison. If he'd been a "real" criminal he probably would have ended up in Aust as a convict!!

However, i do have him leaving the UK in 1852 onboard the Lady Head arriving in Victoria that same year, for the gold rush.
I have not been able to find any record here of his death, however did find a Joseph Hind, same age and buried at Ford cemetary in Liverpool in 1862, so did wonder if he went back to England, but not to his wife, who re-married in 1863, and he went to his sister Jane Sanders in Birkenhead. Unfortunately i can find no record of him leaving Australia ! Looks like I will never know. Once again, thank you, much appreciated, Daria West Oz

Hi Daria,

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Catholic Burials, 1813-1988
about Joseph Hind Name: Joseph Hind
Burial Date: 28 Apr 1862
Parish: Ford Cemetery

Of Midghill Street. Aged 2years!!!

So not your Joseph.

I'll have another look about and see if I can see anything.