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I just wondered if anyone can find Samuel Barker born 1842 Stowmarket on the 1891 census please . He went to London and was on the 1871 and 1881 census in clerkenwell. Wife was Eliza born 1842 Clerkenwell (but I dont know if she is still alive in 1891) and children Samuel who is married by 1891, Eliza who I think is married to someone called North as she has a child in 1881 and her surname is North but I cant find a marriage for her yet and she is living with her parents but no husband and Anne born 1866 and she is married in 1884 Samuel next appears in 1901 in st georges Holborn union workhouse and it says he is married. He is living with daughter An n in 1911 as a widower

His occupation is a Iron Moulder

thank you
Ann

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There is this record with a completely new family, but occupation (Iron Moulder) is same as 1881. Image could easily be Barker

1891 England Census
about Samuel Backer
Name: Samuel Backer
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: Stowmarket, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: St Mary At The Walls
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary at the Walls
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Colchester
Sub-registration district: Colchester First Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Backer 48
Lucy Backer 39 born Ipswich
Maud Backer 8 b Ipswich
William Backer 6 Yarmouth
Florence Backer 4 Ipswich
Samuel Backer 2
Alice Backer 5/12 Colchester


Andy

Hi Andrew thank you
I did find that as a possible but could not find a marriage for a samuel Barker and a Lucy and I wondered if he would have a second child called Samuel as he had my one and he got married. I suppose it is possible,
I wondered if he went to Colchester then back to london in 1901??

thanks

Ann

Marriages Mar 1881 (>99%)
BARKER Eliza Holborn 1b 737
DAVIS Susan Annie Holborn 1b 737
DEUDNEY William Holborn 1b 737
North Thomas Charles Holborn 1b 737
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Births Mar 1881 (>99%)
NORTH William Samuel Holborn 1b 744

hi Julie

thanks for the marriage of Eliza Barker. Its looks as if she was heavily pregnant with William when she married. Eliza was only 17 on the 1881 census when she was put doen as Eliza North with child William North age 2 months.

I expect she had to get married. I wonder where Thomas was in 1881 as he was not with Eliza ?

thank you so much I will see if I can find them on the next census

Ann

This might be his birth

Births Sep 1862 (>99%)
NORTH Thomas Charles St Luke 1b 584
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& maybe a birth for another child


Births Sep 1883 (>99%)
North Thomas Charles Holborn 1b 761

This Thomas is married

1881

Thomas North
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 41 William St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Marine Store Dealer
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 30c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward North 60
Ann North 49
George North 28
William North 25
Elizabeth North 22
Thomas North 20
Rose North 17
Alfred North 9
Alfred Browning 25

Widowed very young:
Name: Eliza North widow 11 Pittman Yard
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Spouse Name: Samuel Day Occ:Horse keeper 8 Pittman Yard
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Jul 1886
Parish: St Thomas, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Samuel Barker Occ: Iron moulder
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Day Occ:Hair dresser
Witnesses were Samuel Barker and Ellen Brown?

Maureen

THANK YOIU Julie it looks as if he stayed at home until they could find somewhere to live together

and THANK YOU
Maureen

I would never have expected Eliza to be a widow so young thats why I could not find her on the next census. WELL DONE

All I have to do now is try to solve Samuel and his wife Eliza or Lucy

I have been looking for Samuel and lucy on later census but cannot and wondered if there could have been 2 Samuel Barkers who were both iron moulders would be odd though maybe Lucy is a new wife if only I could find a death for Eliza then I could be sure and find a marriage for Samuel and Lucy and i could send for ther marriage certificate to see if he was widowed on marriage to Lucy

Thank you both

Ann

Well done for that Maureen

I did wonder if this was his death

Deaths Jun 1885 (>99%)
North Thomas Charles 23 Whitechapel 1c 225

Ann

Do you have Samuels marriage cert
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this is the 1861 for a Samuel..he is the only 1 coming up that fits & his job is an Iron Fitter


Samuel Barker
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Elisha
Mother's Name: Betsey
Gender: Male
Where born: Stowmarket, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Stowmarket
Town: Stowmarket
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Stow
Sub-registration district: Stowmarket
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 75
Household Members:
Name Age
Elisha Barker 54
Betsey Barker 39
Samuel Barker 19
George Barker 16
Elijah Barker 7
Ellen Barker 3

Just going to put this here 'cause it was a little tough to find:
1911 census transcription details for: 22 Newhall St Islington N

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN944 RG78PN32 RD10 SD6 ED42 SN263


Reg. District: Islington Sub District: Islington South East
Parish: Islington Enum. District: 42
Address: 22 Newhall St Islington N
County: London

DAY, Lenard (Samuel) Head Married M 50 1861 Horsekeeper London Shoreditch
DAY, Elzies Wife Married
25 years F 46 1865 London Clerkenwell
DAY, Thomas C North By Farmer (by former marriage) Son Single M 28 1883 Furrier? London St Lukes
DAY, William Son Single M 19 1892 Optician Assistant London Islington
DAY, George A Son Single M 16 1895 Van Guard London Islington
DAY, Eliza E Daughter Single F 15 1896 Box Maker London Islington
DAY, Annie E Daughter Single F 12 1899 School London Islington
DAY, Rose M Daughter Single F 10 1901 School London Islington


Maureen

hi juie

yes I had found that on ancestry london parish records. and that is the right family although Betsey who is elizabeth is not his mother but step mother as his mother was maria

he was a iron moulder on his certificate and was married in islington to eliza collins thank you for looking anyway

Ann

thank you so much maureen that is great as i dont have access to the 1911 census I have a lot more information to add to my tree tomorrow.
going to have a cup of coffee now

thanks

Ann

Im switching off soon but

i have been looking for the family that Andy post in the 1901

Now....i can't find any of them so went off looking for their birth & every-time i thought bingo there's a birth......id then go back into the 1901 & they'd be the child of someone else

So im wondering if......Samuel made that whole family up
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OK knock that on the head as i have found a birth for Alice

Hi Julie

I have trried the same thing looked for each child in the 1901 census but cant find any of them

the only samuel barker and Lucy |I could find was married in 1905 to Lucy Edwards in pancras which is the wrong area
#maybe look tomorrow although I have to go to work in the afternoon.

Maureen just looked at the 1911 census properly and I am surprised you could find this at all quite a muddle with names. I did wonder if there was another NORTH child and there was according to that

going to bed now thanks everyone

Ann

Ann

I did post early that there was another Child
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Julie Today at 21:14 Request review
This might be his birth

Births Sep 1862 (>99%)
NORTH Thomas Charles St Luke 1b 584
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& maybe a birth for another child


Births Sep 1883 (>99%)
North Thomas Charles Holborn 1b 761

hi Julie
yes Thomas charles north junior was on the 1911 census that Maureen found and thanks for his father. tomorrow I am gong to put all my new information onto my tree.

Ann

yes but

you said in your post @ 22:11 did wonder if there was another NORTH child and there was according to that

I had already post his birth on here @ 21:14

sory Julie I did see that you had put another possible child for Eliza and Thomas north and the 1911 census confirmed this for me

What I meant was I had wondered before I found out that Eliza had another child as she only had the one in 1881 and no husband with her and I had not found out husbands name until you told me thanks for that as of course she did not appear on the 1891 census with husband and of course thats because he had died which I did not know.

have started putting information on my tree but need to go and get dressed and go food shopping before work

thank you for all your hard work

Ann