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Hi All, Does anyone know how to find out what happened to people who landed at Ellis Island? My grandfather Thomas Addis Ryan, born 1882 in Oldham seems to have gone over in 1909 on the ship Caronia [in Nov]. He was a Master Mariner, so I'm told. I cannot find anything in this country apart from hs marriage to Sarah Jane Kerr [my gran] in September 1909 and the reference to Ellis Island from IGI record pilot. I would appreciate any help, please, Thank you. Joyce

Name: Thomas Addis Ryan
Arrival Date: 21 Nov 1909
Birth Year: abt 1882
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: oldham
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Irish
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Caronia

Shown as a non immigrant mariner. Married, his wife residing as 17 Alcar? Ave, Liverpool. Final destination shown as New York.

- New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
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Thomas Addis Ryan 21 Nov 1909 abt 1882 Liverpool, England Irish Caronia
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Thomas Addis Ryan 19 Oct 1927 abt 1882 Hull, England English Cadillac
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Ellis Island site shows he had 'fresh complection, brown hair + grey eyes.

He was joining
S.S. Castilon ?? ship of the Prince Line

Dea x

1927 Trip:

Name: Thomas Addis Ryan
Arrival Date: 19 Oct 1927
Birth Year: abt 1882
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Hull, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Cadillac

Shown as member of the crew, Master 3rd class.

Height 5'6" Weight 122lbs

Hi Jonesey,
Thank you, I do not know where my gran was living, so I follow that lead as well. Do you think that non immigrant mariner means he was perhaps just working out of NY? I did find oit strange that he had left only months after getting married and he had over the next 6 years had 3 children. Thanks again. Joyce

Hi Dea,
Thank you for that. I have never known what he looked like. Where on the Ellis site does it give that info. I will persue the Prince Line info. Thak you so much. Joyce

Hi Satnav,
Thank for that info more to follow up. Joyce

Hi again Jonesey,
Thanks for this, I have tried so many sites and got nothing. It is amazing how you guys can do this. Joyce

He was a passenger (Not crew member) on the 1909 trip so he may have been travelling to join another ship. His wife obviously remained in Liverpool. He obviously did not intend to stay in the US.

Where and when was Sarah Jane Kerr born?

Hi Jonesey,

Sarah was born in Liverpool, 1882 died 1966. Her parents were Thomas Kerr and Sarah Brennan.

Joyce

Info is on 'ships manifest - Ellis Island site!

Dea x

Got her in 1901 but as yet I cannot spot her in 1911:

1901:
Name: Sarah J Kerr
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: Liverpool St Luke
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 187
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Kerr 57
Ann Jane Kerr 33
Joshua J Kerr 22
Sarah J Kerr 19
Charles Dowling 10
Henry Brennen 16
Thomas Brennen 14

Edit.........1911:
KERR, Thomas Head Married
44 years M 68 1843 Stevedore Lancs Liverpool VIEW
KERR, Sarah Ann Wife Married
44 years F 66 1845 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
KERR, Charles Dowling Son Single M 20 1891 Cotton Sampleman Lancs Liverpool VIEW
KERR, Ann Jane Daughter Single F 43 1868 Bookfolder Lancs Liverpool VIEW
BRENNAN, Thomas Nephew Single M 23 1888 Saleman Lancs Liverpool VIEW
HOPKINS, William Frederick Boarder M 17 1894 Counterman Seacombe Cheshire VIEW
RYAN, Sarah Jane Daughter Married
1 years F 29 1882 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
RYAN, Agnes Granddaughter F 1 1910 Lancs Liverpool VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22269 Reference:
RG14PN22269 RG78PN1316 RD454 SD3 ED18 SN67

Registration District:
Toxteth Park Sub District:
Toxteth Park Central Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
Toxteth Park

Address:
37 Beaumont Street County:
Lancashire

I'm guessing that this is little Agnes:

Births Mar 1910 (>99%)
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RYAN Agnes W. Derby 8b 654

Hi Dea,

Thanks for that. Joyce

1911:

KERR, Thomas Head Married 44 years M 68 1843 Stevedore Lancs Liverpool VIEW
KERR, Sarah Ann Wife Married 44 years F 66 1845 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
KERR, Charles Dowling Son Single M 20 1891 Cotton Sampleman Lancs Liverpool VIEW
KERR, Ann Jane Daughter Single F 43 1868 Bookfolder Lancs Liverpool VIEW
BRENNAN, Thomas Nephew Single M 23 1888 Saleman Lancs Liverpool VIEW
HOPKINS, William Frederick Boarder M 17 1894 Counterman Seacombe Cheshire VIEW
RYAN, Sarah Jane Daughter Married 1 years F 29 1882 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
RYAN, Agnes Granddaughter F 1 1910 Lancs Liverpool VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22269 Reference:
RG14PN22269 RG78PN1316 RD454 SD3 ED18 SN67

Registration District:
Toxteth Park Sub District:
Toxteth Park Central Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
Toxteth Park

Address:
37 Beaumont Street County:
Lancashire



Dea x

Hi That's great. Have not got that info - looks like she lived with her father while hubby was away! I notice that Charles Dowling was under Kerr on the 1911 one. He was adopted by Thomas and Sarah at about 5 months. I recently got his birth cert [info via 'trying to find'] but haven.t got any further. If he changed his name that could be the reason!! Thanks so much. Joyce

You may be able to find out more about Thomas Addis Ryan as if he was granted a master mariners certificate.

The record of when, where he got it might be found in the Lloyds Captains Registers which are I believe kept at the Guildhall Library in London.

You probably already have this but just in case:

Name: Thomas A Ryan
Death Registration Month/Year: 1933
Age at death (estimated): 50
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 215

Hi Dea,
Thanks again. That's great. Agnes was known as Girlie. It was because her father always called her 'my little girlie'.
Joyce

Hi Jonsey,
Yes I have tried to get info via the Lloyds register. Unfortunately, they are still indexing 'R' and I haven't had time to get up to London, but it is definately on my list of 'to do'.

Thanks Joyce

I did not have his death info. Thank you.