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I am trying to get confirmation that Richard George Bibby was the Inspector of Police in liverpool around 1850

When was he born?

Where was he born?

Please clarify......do you mean that he was a policeman with the rank of Inspector?

have you looked for him on any census

That is the occupation he lists on the 1851 census if this is your Richard.

(On Ancestry it looks as though there are more people in the household but on the actual image they appear to be a different household.)

Name: Richard Geo Bibby
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: Liverpool
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Inspector of Police

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 1e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 109
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Geo Bibby 34
Caroline Bibby 36
Victoria Bibby 11
Caroline Bibby 8
Isabella Bibby 6
Richard Geo Bibby 4
William Bibby 2
Alexander Bibby 11 Mo
Mary Ellen Thomas 17
John Douthwaite 33


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2180; Folio: 201; Page: 36; GSU roll: 87179-87180

1851 census..Occupation: Inspector of Police.

Name: Richard Geo Bibby
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: Liverpool
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 1e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 109
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Geo Bibby 34
Caroline Bibby 36
Victoria Bibby 11
Caroline Bibby 8
Isabella Bibby 6
Richard Geo Bibby 4
William Bibby 2
Alexander Bibby 11 Mo
Mary Ellen Thomas 17
John Douthwaite 33
Ambrose Arpinall 38
Edward Jones 50
William Hailwood 24
John Kimmer 17
Henry Woodward 20
Richard Murtaugh 20
William Taylor 20
Samuel Unsworth 22
Lames Lawrence 23
John Gardner 22


If you make any further requests for help.........'please' would be a nice addition to your message

Same man in

1861 - Watch Finisher
1871 - Car owner & driver

flick
i have found that he was born in liverpool around 1817
and yes i believe he was a policeman of that rank.
however except for what is on the census i have been unable to confirm this or gain any more info on R G Bibby
ian

shirley,

yes i have looked on the census and have gained minimal info regarding his time as an inspector of police

ian

rootgather,

i have got the same info as you have.

i am trying to find more info on the time that Richard G Bibby was the inspector of police.

cannot find any website that can give me more

ian

flick,

sorry for fogetting ....'please'.....i will consider myself being told off

ian

Ian

You could try contacting Liverpool Council Archives (sorry I don't have an address for them) to see if any of their police records have survived. Having seen some of the Glasgow Police records that have survived, they sometimes give family details as well as some details of their service. At that time policemen were sometimes given a financial reward for certain actionsand it wasn't unknown for them to scare a horse to make it bolt then catch it and claim a reward! There also seemed to be rather a lot of drunken-ness about and I mean the policemen not just the city residents!

I'm not convinced that 'Inspector of Police' is the same as a Police Officer with the rank of Inspector.

Especially in view of the changes of occupation in subsequent censuses.

It would be interesting to learn what his occupation was in 1841 - or even when he married.

Marriages Sep 1838 (>99%)
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BIBBY Richard George Wt. Derby 20 696
SWINDEN Caroline W. Derby 20 696

He was a Watchmaker in 1841, so he couldn't have been a serving Police Officer

Name: Caroline Billey
[Caroline Bibby]
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Hundred: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Islington
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Bibby 50
Richard Bibby 25
George Billey 20
Ann Billey 50
Caroline Billey 25
Louisa Billey 2
Christopher Billey 2 Mo

?????????

Deaths Dec 1841 (>99%)
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BIBBY Christopher Liverpool 20 27_

rootgather,

many thanks for the tip.

i will try to investigate further down this root.

Ian

flick,

you may be right with your assumption of 'Inspector of Police'

i cannot believe that he may have been someone just visiting to carry out some sort of inspection, don't really know.

however the fact that it identifies he was at Fire Police Station @ Temple Court Street, Liverpool at the time of the 1851 census, with his family and with 3 fire policemen on duty, would suggest that it was more than that.


i need to try to find police records as suggested by rootgather

regards

Ian

I wasn't making any assumption...........I was trying be logical

The idea that a man could be a watchmaker in 1841 - and, incidentally in 1861......and, in the meantime, join the Police force and rise to the rank of Inspector in under ten years seems unlikely - at the very least.

flick,

I quite agree.

Unfortuntely that is what the census records indicate.

One additional piece of information I do have on Richard Bibby is that on 29th February 1848 an article in the London Gazette refers to Richard George Bibby, Inspector of Police, as being an insolvent debtor and was to appear before the Liverpool District County Court.

All seems very strange.

Ian

Had he been a serving Police Officer, one would have expeced him to have been described as Inpector Bibby of ***** Police Force

In all the instances I have found of Policeman on census records they are recorded as Police Constable - Police Sergeant - Police Officer - etc...........'Police' always being the first word.

Not 100% conclusive, but definitely food for thoght for you.............

And, if he'd been 'done' for insolvency........is it likely that he would have been allowed to serve as a Police Officer?

don't know the answer to that one

i will have to dig deeper