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I am trying to find asmuch as i can about my g g grandparents John Gold Rees ad Eliza Dwerryhouse. I know the following.
John was married before and had a daughter Catherine b1877 (awaiting her birth cert)
John & Eliza were married 04.07.1883
Eliza was a widow on the 1891 cencus
From the cencus' i have found 3 more children Ann (my g grandmother) Samuel b 1888? & Eliza b 1891?. Id love to find more info if anyone can help. John was from Scotland (Glasgow i think) but i cant find any info for Eliza.
PS Sorry, Theylived in West Derby/Liverpool

Marriages Sep 1883 (>99%)
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DWERRYHOUSE Eliza W.Derby 8b 751
Fanshaw Minnie Frances W Derby 8b 751
Ramsey Basil William S W .Derby 8b 751
REES John Gould W. Derby 8b 751

Have you tried a search on this site to see if anyone else is looking for the family, or the IGI on familysearch.org
Liz

Hi,
Thanks for that, Ive actually got this ref no, but hadnt seen the other two names. What does this mean? I thought each marriage had its own ref? Who are Minnie & Basil?
Ta
Jo

its just the names of 2 other people who married same qtr & year

Could you point out Eliza and children on the 1891 census?
Do you have their marriage certificate?

Maureen

Hi Maureen in 1891 they were living oat 16 College Lane Liverpool. Dont have the cert got the date from Lancs BDM site

Well,the cert would sure help!

For ref:
1891 census transcription details for: 16, College Lane, Liverpool

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 2909 Folio: 42 Page: 15


Reg. District: Liverpool Sub District: St George
Parish: Liverpool Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District: St Peters City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool
Address: 16, College Lane, Liverpool
County: Lancashire
REES, Eliza Head Widow F 24 1867
Liverpool
Lancashire
REES, Annie W Daughter F 4 1887
Liverpool
Lancashire
REES, Eliza Daughter F 0 (2M) 1891
Liverpool
Lancashire
COULTER, Catherine Lodger Single F 19 1872 Machinist
Ireland


Maureen

for ref only is this them in 1881 census

1881 England Census
about John Rees
Name: John Rees
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol

Civil parish: Bristol St Philip and Jacob Out
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address: 53 Gt Ann St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Hawker

Registration district: Barton Regis
Sub-registration district: St Philip & St Jacob
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Rees 23
Eliza Rees 24
Amelia Wren 6
Catherine Rees 4
John Chas. Rees 1



if this is right family it says john was born bristol

Each registration district writes up marriages into volumes for each quarter

eg - Bideford registration district has volume number 5b

Then each page is numbered - ie 1070

Marriages used to be written up with four marriages to each page so each of those marriages would have the same volume number and page number. Eight names would show against the same volume and page number - 5b 1070.


This was changed to two marriages per page in the volume - so there would be four names with the same volume number and page number.

So, if you had found the marriage for John Rees but didn't know that he had married Eliza, you would have had a choice - Eliza or Minnie??? Looking at subsequent census returns can sort out who the spouses were - unless of course there happened to be two Eliza's on the page!!

Liz
Im sorry i think i may have sent you a reply by message in stead if b the thread.
I have looked on the site and ive found loads of new rellies but none of them have John or Eliza (different branches or their bloodline married mine so theyve not researched it).
Dont know what IGI is.
Jo

??

Name: Eliza Dwerryhouse
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Kirkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Aidan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 107
Household schedule number: 61
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Dwerryhews 43
Hannah Douglas 30 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dau
Mary Oak 26 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dau
Elizabeth Dwerryhouse 13
Margaret Ann Dwerryhouse 10
Eliza Dwerryhouse 8
Walter Douglas 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>Grandson
Alexander Douglas 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>Grandson
Edward A Davies 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>Boarder
Christina J Kelly 24 >>>>>>>>>>>>>Boarder

Address: 29 Milford St

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3828; Folio: 11; Page: 13; GSU roll: 841918.


EDIT

Only Eliza born between 1861-1869 in L'pool

Births Dec 1861 (>99%)
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Dwerryhouse Eliza Liverpool 8b 33

HI Jackie
Cant be they werent married till 1883. Unless his first wife was called Eliza too! Will find mthat out when i get Catherines birth cert.

joanne
only a possible & sometimes they lived together as man & wife befor getteing married especially if john,s first wife died & he was left witha small baby he may have taken up with eliza but married her later but just a thought

jacky

Hi LiverBird
Looks promising.
I think im gonna have to wait a bit till i can get John & Elizas marriage cert then Elizas birth cert to be sure.

Its so frustraiting! Other branches have been a breeze to do.

Any idea if Eliza re-married? Do you have her on another census so that we can check her supposed birth date/place?

Maureen

PS-Thanks for staying on and answering our questions!!!

Jacky
Never thought of that. And i know that sometimes they just said they were born in the parish they were living in at the time.
Lots to think about!

This looks like same family in 1861, Good luck! :-)

Name: Mary Dwerryhouse
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Kirkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Adrian
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 59
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 233
Household Members: Name Age
John Dwerryhouse 45 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ship carpenter
Ann Dwerryhouse 38
Hannah Dwerryhouse 20
Mary Dwerryhouse 16
Thomas Dwerryhouse 14
Joseph Dwerryhouse 10
Jane Dwerryhouse 8
Susannah Dwerryhouse 6
Elizabeth Dwerryhouse 4
Margaret A Dwerryhouse 1




Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2720; Folio: 41; Page: 42; GSU roll: 543018


Deaths Mar 1869 (>99%)
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Dwerryhouse John 53 W. Derby 8b 300

Hi Maureenin NY

Havent got her aftre 1891 census. Dont know if she had died or got remarried. I think she may had died by then as Ann is living with a married Catherine (Tilston) by then. But cant find a death for her.

Hi again LiverBird

Again it looks good. the only thing is Dwerryhouse was a big name in Liverpool there were loads of them (there are even streets named after them). This is were my problems start. How can i be sure of anything! Are these people siblings or cousins!