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Hi,

Trying to find details on RAYMOND STANLEY POOLE - Service no. D/JX 198542 who was killed in action on 18/10/1941 when his ship, HMS Broadwater was torpedoed in the North Atlantic.

Can not find any records of his birth or his parents names.

Link to CWGC page for him > http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2486165

Unfortunately, that's all the info I have for him but I want to see if he was a relative of my grandmother VERA POOLE.

If you can shed any light - I thank you in advance

Richard

Hi this looks like his death

Military Section Naval Ratings
Forename RAYMOND
Surname POOLE
Rank A.B.
Regiment BROADWATER
Year Of Death 1941
Volume Volume 8; Page 3102


Do you have any dates of birth or places for Raymond or Vera

hi
this could be his birth on free bdm
Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
Poole Raymond S Holcroft W. Derby 8b 932

Hi Polly,

Vera was born in Upton, Gloucs c1913. She had a brother Alfred born in 1917 but her father was killed on the Somme in 1916 and her mother (Mary J Mays/Poole) died shortly after - (exactly when is another dead end).

I don't think R S Poole is connected directly to them but I am hoping to find a connection to the POOLES of Gloucs/Cheltenham/Tetbury.

I discovered a site with a lot of my relations already on it > http://www.mitchellfamilyonline.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I13185&tree=E1 - but the site owner, Roger is also stumped about Raymond. We just wanted to 'lay him to rest' so to speak and see if we couldn't match up this brave man to his proper family.

Thanks

Richard

Hi Richard
Do you know were your grandmother was born.

Hi Brian,

Yes, VERA MARY POOLE was born on 14/04/1914 in Upton in Gloucs but the family - for some reason - moved to the other side of the country to suffolk (Trimley, Falkenham, Kirton area).

I've managed to get almost all of the mysteries solved myself but this one is still hanging around... I did a bit of research on Ray's ship, the crew and even the Uboat that sunk it and it would be a shame for me not to be able to pass it on to someone if he's not one of ours.

Thanks in advance all - you do a sterling job! For no pay and only abuse and annoyance judging by what's going on over on the main board at the mo....

RG

The parents of the Raymond S Poole born in Birmingham 1920 were Elsie Holcroft and Bernard Park Poole,Bernard was born 1894 in Warwickshire.
They were married A/M/J 1919 in Aston Birmingham.

Alfred T Poole and Mary J Mays married A/M/J 1913 in Woodbridge Suffolk.

Maryb
1911 449,green Lane Birmingham
William Charles Poole 1865 Cockermouth Cumberland
Elizabeth Alice 1869 Birmingham
William Charles son 1890 Yokshire
Bernard 1894 birmingham.

Hi Richard
Alfred Poole birth 2nd quarter of 1917 at Woodbridge Suffolk, mothers name Mays.
Vera Poole birth 2nd quarter of 1914 at Upton on Seven Worcestershire.

Bestof Luck

William Charles Poole born 1865 in Cockermouth in 1901 census in Birmingahm has a visitor by the name of Joe Poole born Gloucestershire 1842 a cabinet maker.
Maybe he connects Raymond S son of Bernard in Birmingham to the Poole family from Glos.

Joseph poole was married to Ellen born Worcestershire @ 1842 on 1871/81/91 census in glouc.

Maryb

Richard
Just plug in, HMS Broadwater, it looks like it may be interesting.

Hi Brian,

Yep, I've done all the research on the ship - it's just the man that was eluding me :-)

(It is very interesting - such a shame more didn't survive the sinking).

RG

MaryB,

Hmmm, you've got me thinking now. I have a Mary J Poole death record for Cockermouth in O-N-D 1924 - age 36. We have no idea why a woman from Suffolk would have gone up there to die - unless there was a family connection.

This is what we have on Mary J Poole/Mays > http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=1548709 - and this is a definite.

I'll do some more digging further North now.

Many thanks for that

RG

I've just found a member who has a Joe POOLE born in Glocs in 1842 in there tree so have emailed them.

Let's see what turns up.

Thanks all - really feel like I'm getting somewhere now.

RG

possible 1901 for Elsie
1901 census

Address Bk 77 Carlyle Rd
Civil Parish Aston Manor
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish Lozells St Paul
Parliamentary Borough or Division Aston Manor
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Aston Manor
Administrative County Warwick
Householder 1
Name Elizabeth Holcroft
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 13
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Jewell Case Maker
Employment Status
Where Born Warwick Coventry
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Elizabeth Holcroft
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 34
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Warwick Coventry
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Ellen Holcroft
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 12
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Warwick Coventry
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Elsie Holcroft
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 5
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Warwick Coventry
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Emma Holcroft
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 3
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Warwick Coventry
Language
Infirmity
Householder 6
Name Matthew Holcroft
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 34
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Watch Maker Movements
Employment Status
Where Born Warwick Coventry
Language
Infirmity

1901 for bernard
1901 census

Address Wynn St 2 Back 23
Civil Parish Birmingham
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish S Asaph
Parliamentary Borough or Division Birmingham
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Birmingham
Administrative County Birmingham
Householder 1
Name Alice E Poole
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 32
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Birmingham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Bernard Poole
Relation to Head of Family
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 7
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Birmingham
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Joe Poole
Relation to Head of Family Visitor
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 59
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Cabinet Maker
Employment Status
Where Born Gloucester
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name William C Poole
Relation to Head of Family
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 11
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born York
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name William C Poole
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 36
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Wood Turner
Employment Status
Where Born Cumberland
Language
Infirmity

Can't find birth in Cockermouth for a William Charles 1865 but on looking through censues found this.
1871 John J Poole 1842 Gloucester
Christine 1843 East Dean Glouce
Charles Poole 1865 Cumberland
Mary A Poole 1
Address Barton St Michael.

1881 d11 15 Barton St Michael.
John J Poole 36 a Ostler'
Christine/Christiana 38
William C Parke STEPSON born Cockermouth 1865 labourere in saw Mill.

Charles William Parke registered Cockermouth 1864 O/N/D 10b 475.

Remember Bernard Park Poole 1894 possible dad of Raymond.

So is William Charles Poole 1865 Cockermouth actually Charles William Parke?????

Looks like it to me what do you guys think

Maryb

Yep looks correct
Christiana Park married John James Pool in gloucestershire
J/A/S 1868 6a 412.

Bernard Park Poole 1894 parents marriage

William Charles P Poole ( P for Park)
married Alice Elizabeth Barnett J/A/S 1889 6d 182.
They had William Charles 1889 Bernard's brother.

This is one confused family.

William Charles P Poole = Charles William Park 1864 Cockermouth.

Maryb

How on earth did you find that one? I've seen some transcription errors in my time but Poole to Parks etc - wow.

I'll look into the connection - someone said the POOLES went to Wales and Gloucester - but from where? (Probs POOLE in Dorset but..)

There seems to be a lot of swapping surnames around in the records. I've got BEARS and MAYS that seem to swap them when it suits! :-)

RG

Hi,

Thanks for all your help. I passed on what happened to Joseph POOLE to the other GC member but I think Ray might be a red herring.

Ta

R