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Did Amos marry his niece Jane

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Harold

Harold Report 13 Apr 2010 10:13

I have Pattendens in my tree through 2x great grandmother Sarah Wood and her sister Jane. The latter was born 1797 East Grinstead, Sussex. She married Henry Pattenden from Horne, Surrey and they had 13 children including Henry b1825 and Amos 1843. My records indicate Amos marries Jane Pattenden (b1853) in 1873 Horne. But it also appears she is the daughter of Amos's elder brother Henry. Is this a mistake or coincidence? If not was it legal?

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 13 Apr 2010 10:46

Hi is this them in 1881
1881 census

Name Jane Pattenden
Age 28
Estimated Year of Birth 1853
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Address Hedge Court Road
District Godstone, Godstone
Parish Horne With Harrowsley
Administrative County Surrey
Birth Place Charlwood
Birth County Surrey
in house
amos head 37
jane wife 28
anne j 7
alfred j 4
arthur e 1
RG 11 / 804

1891 census

Name Jane Pattenden
Age 38
Estimated Year of Birth 1853
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Address Hedge Court Road
District Godstone, Godstone
Parish Horne
Administrative County Surrey
Birth Place Charlwood
Birth County Surrey
in house
amos head 47
jane wife 38
alfred j 14
arthur e 11
agness m 9
RG 12 / 583

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 13 Apr 2010 10:51

1881 - from another angle!!

Amos PATTENDEN Head M Male 37 Horne, Surrey, England Farmer 14 Acres
Jane PATTENDEN Wife M Female 28 Charlwood, Surrey, England
Annie S. PATTENDEN Dau Female 7 Charlwood, Surrey, England Scholar
Alfred J. PATTENDEN Son Male 4 Horne, Surrey, England
Arthur E. PATTENDEN Son Male 1 Horne, Surrey, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling Hedge Court Rd
Census Place Horne, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341189
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0804 / 129
Page Number 2

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 13 Apr 2010 10:52

Amos Pattenden Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 03 OCT 1843 Horne, Surrey, England
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Parents:
Father: Henry Pattenden Family
Mother: Jane Wood

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 13 Apr 2010 10:53

Amos Pattenden Compact Disc #139 Pin #4191416 Pedigree
Sex: M

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Event(s)
Birth: 3 Oct 1843

Horne, Surrey, England
Birth: 1844

Horne, Surrey, England
Birth: 1844

Horne, Surrey, England
Death: 15 Oct 1928

Godstone, England

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Parents
Father: Henry Pattenden Disc #139 Pin #4190275
Mother: Jane Wood Disc #139 Pin #4191410

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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Jane Pattenden Disc #139 Pin #4191441
Marriage: 19 Nov 1873
Horne, Surrey, England

Spouse: Jane Unknown Disc #139 Pin #4191571
Marriage:
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Personal Information
Residence: 1881
Horne, Surrey, England
Residence: 1891
Horne, Surrey, England

Harold

Harold Report 13 Apr 2010 10:53

Yes that seems to be her after marrying in 1873. I think she then has 2 more children, Agnes and Dora.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 13 Apr 2010 10:55

don't think it would have been legal for him to have married his brother's daughter - in fact I'm pretty sure it's classed as incest

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 13 Apr 2010 10:56

1901 census

Address Hedge Court
Civil Parish Horne
Rural District Godstone
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish Horne
Parliamentary Borough or Division Reigate
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District
Administrative County Surrey
Householder 1
Name Alfd John Pattenden
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 24
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Agent Labourer
Employment Status
Where Born Horne Surrey
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Amos Pattenden
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 57
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Farmer
Employment Status
Where Born Horne Surrey
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Dora Jane Pattenden
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 8
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Horne Surrey
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Jane Pattenden
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 48
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Charlwood Surrey
Language
Infirmity

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 13 Apr 2010 11:03

1861 for jane
1861 census

Name Jane Pattenden
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1853
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Address Rosemary Lane
District Reigate, Horley
Parish Charlwood
Administrative County Surrey
Birth Place Charlwood
Birth County Surrey
in house
henry head 35
sophia wife 34
william 14
henry 13
george 9
jane 8
rachel 5
harriett 1
RG 9 / 444

Harold

Harold Report 13 Apr 2010 11:05

I agree Ann of Green Gables but my records do indicate Amos's brother Henry had a daughter Jane born in 1853 i Charlwood, Surrey - surely too much to be a coincidence - it must have been illegal and incest, oh dear! - unless we can prove otherwise

Harold

Harold Report 13 Apr 2010 11:08

and there she is Polypoppet - daughter of Henry. Are the two Janes the same - I think so

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 13 Apr 2010 11:24

brother henry with family in 1841
1841 census

Name Jane Pattenden
Age 44
Estimated Year of Birth 1797
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation
Address Hedge Court
District Godstone, Godstone
Parish Horne
Administrative County Surrey
Birth Place
Birth County
in house
henry 45
jane 44
john 21
henry 16 d.o.b. 1825
george 8
harriett 7
james 5
HO 107 / 1077

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 13 Apr 2010 11:37

family in 1851
1851 census

Name Amos Pattenden
Age 7
Estimated Year of Birth 1844
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Address
District Godstone, Godstone
Parish Horne
Administrative County Surrey
Birth Place Horne
Birth County Surrey
in house
henry head 61
jane wife 53
george 18
harriett 16
james 15
peter 13
thomas 10
amos 7
sophia Pattenden visitor 1
HO 107 / 1600

parents ages seem to be out but its the same family

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 13 Apr 2010 11:39

1861 census

Name Henry Pattenden
Age 71
Estimated Year of Birth 1790
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Farmer & Sawyer
Address Hedge Court
District Godstone, Godstone
Parish Horne
Administrative County Surrey
Birth Place East Grinstead
Birth County Sussex
in house
henry head 71
jane wife 63
thomas 20
amos 17
sophia grandaghter 11
RG 9 / 446

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 13 Apr 2010 11:45

1871 census

Name Amos Pattenden
Age 27
Estimated Year of Birth 1844
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation
Address Hedge Court Road
District Godstone, Godstone
Parish Horne
Administrative County Surrey
Birth Place Surrey
Birth County Surrey
in house
henry head 81jane wife 73
amos 27
sarah buckland servant 15
RG 10 / 837

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 13 Apr 2010 12:13

not to worry Harold - we won't breathe a word - we'll still speak to you!!!!

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 13 Apr 2010 12:24

lol I will still talk to Harold too Ann :)

Harold

Harold Report 13 Apr 2010 12:33

Thanks Pollypoppet and Ann. And anyway they are distant relatives. But I wonder how they got away with it or indeed why did the family allow it?

Best Regards Harry Bower