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Update June 29th - CASE CLOSED :-D

Stuart emailed the Primary School in Northumberland that he guessed Howard would have attended in the 1920's. The current Head Teacher has rung back to say they know of a local relative, possibly a cousin. The school has contacted the cousin, given him Stuart's details and the cousin is going to contact Stuart.

Hurray! Another one down - only five left to go :-)

Best wishes,

Liz
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Original enquiry:

I do not know if Howard Panton is a relative of mine. I am asking for help on behalf of memorial service organisers who are trying to trace the relatives of a number of soldiers who were killed in 1940:

Name: PANTON, Howard (born CUMBERLAND/NORTHUMBERLAND)
Rank:Private
7614981
Regiment/Service:Royal Army Ordnance Corps
Secondary Regiment:Royal Artillery
Secondary Unit Text:attd. 58 Lt. A.A. Regt.
Age:21
Date of Death:07/07/1940
Service No:7614981
Additional information: Son of John and Margaret Panton, of STAKEFORD,
NORTHUMBERLAND.
Cemetery: PERRANZABULOE (ST. PIRAN) CHURCHYARD

I have posted more info here:
http://howardpanton.posterous.com/

Just to be clear, I am not personally looking for relatives of Howard Panton as I have no evidence that we are related. I am just trying to help any of his remaining relatives find out about this memorial service as the organisers are keen to ensure that they track them down for the 70th and last memorial service.

I have already searched for "Howard Panton" and the two search results are not relevant. I have searched for "John Panton" (his father) and there are too many that might be relevant.

Please accept my apologies if I should have posted this request on a different board.

Best wishes,
Liz Panton

We've undertaken searches like this before, have no fear! And successfully found, for example, families of many of the victims of the Bethnal Green Tube Disaster, for that memorial.

Off to look ...

his birth

Name: Howard Panton
>> Mother's Maiden Surname: Oliver
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1918
Registration district: Morpeth
Registration county: Cumberland, Northumberland/Westmorland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 754


I edited a post on the second page to add PERRANPORTH so this thread would appear on a search of TTF for that term. That doesn't seem to have worked, so I'll add it here!

Marriages Sep 1918
Oliver Margaret Penton Tynemouth 10b 548
Panton John Oliver Tynemouth 10b 548

but unfortunately, I'm seeing no siblings, and Howard didn't marry.

A half dozen people here have the name Margaret Oliver, born in Northumberland between 1882 and 1901, in their trees -- two in Newcastle upon Tyne. It could be worth trying to contact them.


Possible mother's death:

Name: Margaret Panton
Death Registration Month/Year: 1968
Age at death (estimated): 82 = dob c1886
Registration district: Northumberland Central
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 1b
Page: 211

possible father's death:

Name: John Panton
Death Registration Month/Year: 1954
Age at death (estimated): 62 = dob c1892
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 1b
Page: 101

(neither parent had a middle name at marriage)

Silly me.

Someone has this person in her tree:

Margaret (Oliver) 1886 Slateford, Northumberland

The CWGC record says the parents lived in Stakeford. Is there such a place as Slateford, and might it be an error for Stakeford?

That Margaret Oliver certainly matches the Margaret Panton death, anyway.

Hi possible for Margaret

1891 census

Name Margaret Oliver
Age 5
Estimated Year of Birth 1886
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Address Front Row
District Morpeth, Bedlington
Parish Bedlington
Administrative County Northumberland
Birth Place Stakeford
Birth County Northumberland
in house
joseph headf 33 ( coal miner )
lizzie wife 28
jane daughter 8
margaret daughter 5
alice daughter 3
andrew son 6 months
george nichol lodger 62
RG 12 / 4257

1901 census

Address 14 North View
Civil Parish Bedlington
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St Paul Choppington
Parliamentary Borough or Division Morpeth
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Bedlingtonshire
Administrative County Northd
Householder 1
Name Andrew Oliver
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 10
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Northd Bedlington
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Elizabeth Oliver
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 38
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Northd Bedlington
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Joseph Oliver
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 42
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Coal Miner Hewer
Employment Status
Where Born Northd Bedlington
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Margaret Oliver
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 15
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Northd Bedlington
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Mary Oliver
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 6
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Northd Bedlington
Language
Infirmity
Householder 6
Name Sarah A Oliver
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 8
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Northd Bedlington
Language
Infirmity

I am bowled over by the responses! Many, many thanks to everyone for your help :-)

The memorial service organiser who is tracing relatives for the last few soldiers emailed me to say that he has been slogging away for a year and has not turned up so much information!

He has asked if the Genes Reunited community can help with the others - with such an amazing gang of sleuths he might actually achieve his aim of contacting all the relatives in time :-)

MANY MANY THANKS AGAIN!!!

Best wishes,

Liz

Many thanks Janey - I will follow up your leads :-)

What stars you all are!!!

ps. There is a Slatyford in Newcastle so "Slateford" might be a typo for either Stakeford or Slatyford

Too many Margaret Oliver births 1885-1887 to pick one out, and I can't figure out what reg dist Stakeford or Slatyford is in (I'd have to mess around in censuses). -- But Pollypoppet's MO does look like the one I was looking at, who does match the Margaret Panton death.

I'd go ahead and try contacting some of the people with that name in their trees in the right couple of decades.

For your other names -- I'd say just go ahead and post a thread for each of them! With the same explanation you gave here. The Bethnal Tube thread turned into a bit of a monster with too many people working on too many names at once, so I think that way would work better.

Poor Howard may be a bit of a dead letter, with having no siblings. Only his parents' marriage certificate would make it possible to identify them and thus their siblings. With some of your others we should have better luck!

Introduce your sleuth to FreeBMD:

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

For anyone born after 1911 it gives the mother's surname, and then we track back to find the parents' marriage, and also look for all births with the same two parents' surnames. As long as they aren't Smith and Jones, it usually works. ;)

MANY thanks Polly - followed up :-)

Best wishes,
Liz

Thanks again Janey - I have already sent messages via Genes Reunited to the three most likely contacts (two with the same surname/married name).

Thanks also for the reassurance about posting the other queries - I wondered if I was pushing my luck by posting more of them. There are only seven altogether but I planned to post them separately or the replies might be difficult to disentangle :-)

Afraid the sleuth has 'fessed up to being v non-techie and there is v little time left as the service is on July 17th. The poor chap has been wading through phone books for a year.

When he called me the second time by about my non-relative (by accident) I asked how he got my number and he explained what he was doing and I offered to help. (The first time he called I didn't ask any more about it after explaining that I was not related - at least as far as I know).

I will pass on the link to FreeBMD anyway - who knows what it might turn up :-) though from my own researches, it is a bit of a time-suck and I am not sure he has that much time left :-(

Many thanks again for your help and suggestions - when I get a bit of time I will get back to work on my family tree (life has rather got in the way lately).

Best wishes,
Liz

You'll find the vultures circling here whenever you do post the others, just salivating at the thought of such a search (wasn't I?) and more than happy to help in this kind of search -- posting the CWGC record is an excellent way to open the thread, by the way.

Many people will be happy to help, and you'll likely have replies to all of them within minutes.

Well hold on to your hat Janey - here they come :-)

Oh noes! I'm just about to go home for dinner, at 8:30 here in Canada. ;)

There'll be no shortage of takers, I'm sure.


just editing to add Perranporth so this thread shows up on the general search for that word too.

Ok Janey and Liz.
I have some time.

Any left that need a search done.
If so please give me the thread number/s and I will take a shot.

I have been unable to locate them on this one as it just says..Ooops

.http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=results&bsk=1609531

Edit.
Found them.
Works most times when I say I cant find them..

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CASE CLOSED :-D

Stuart emailed the Primary School in Northumberland that he guessed Howard would have attended in the 1920's. The current Head Teacher has rung back to say they know of a local relative, possibly a cousin. The school has contacted the cousin, given him Stuart's details and the cousin is going to contact Stuart.

Hurray! Another one down - only five left to go :-)

Best wishes,

Liz

PS. Sorry Meriel - did not spot your post - many thanks for the message.

I live in Newcastle and it is because there are so few Pantons around this area that Stuart thought he must have hit gold when he found my name in the Phone book. I moved up here nearly 30 years ago and have never looked back - lovely part of the world and lovely people :-)