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Does anyone have information on Owen Owen who was born in Denbighshire around 1814? He was married to Ellen and they had at least 6 children, one of whom was called Samuel. They appear in the 1861 & 1871 censuses, living at 56 Wellington Road, Wavertree, Lancashire. I am trying to trace my great grandfather whose name was Samuel Owen and wonder if he was Owen's son. Can anyone help please?

Is this Owne ?

1841 Wales Census
about Owen Owen
Name: Owen Owen
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Denbighshire, Wales

Civil parish: Bettws Yn Rhos
Hundred: Isdulas
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: St Asaph
Sub-registration district: Abergele
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
Jane Owen 60
Owen Owen 30
John Owen 25



Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1403; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Bettws Yn Rhos; County: Denbighshire; Enumeration District: 16; Folio: 23; Page: 14; Line: 4; GSU roll: 464321.

There is a family tree on Ancestry and amongst the children listed is Samuel Owen born about 1855 Childwall, Lancashire.

Where was the Samuel found on 1861 and 71 census born ? and when ?

The family for reference.


census - household transcription
Person: OWEN, Owen
Address: Wellington Road, Wavertree

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Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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OWEN, Owen Head M 57 1814 Denbighshire VIEW
OWEN, Ellen Wife F 56 1815 Lancashire VIEW
OWEN, John Son M 22 1849 Lancashire VIEW
OWEN, Thomas Son M 20 1851 Lancashire VIEW
OWEN, Samuel Son M 16 1855 Lancashire VIEW
OWEN, Henry Son M 13 1858 Lancashire VIEW
OWEN, Mary A Daughter F 24 1847 Lancashire VIEW
OWEN, Ellen Daughter F 18 1853 Lancashire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
3851 Folio:
137 Page:
12

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
Wavertree Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Wavertree Municipal Borough:
Address:
Wellington Road, Wavertree County:
Lancashire



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There are dozens of Owen Owens born in Denbighshire

janet,

What makes you think Samuel is not the son of Owen, or am I misunderstanding your post.

Annx

1871 England Census
about Samuel Owen
Name: Samuel Owen
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Owen
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Childwall, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wavertree
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: Wavertree
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Wavertree
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 56
Household Members: Name Age
Owen Owen 57
Ellen Owen 56
John Owen 22
Thomas Owen 20
Samuel Owen 16
Henry Owen 13
Mary A Owen 24
Ellen Owen 18

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3851; Folio: 137; Page: 12; GSU roll: 841929.

West Derby covers Wavertree (if that's where children were born)

Births Sep 1855

Owen Samuel - W Derby 8b 405

Births Sep 1858
Owen Henry W. Derby 8b 351

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Births Mar 1859
OWEN Henry W Derby 8b 362

No, that is my problem, I can't find proof that he married and I don't know what else to do. I know that he was born in 'Liverpool, Lancashire' area around that time so I was looking at possible matches. I thought that if I could find someone who had the family in their tree I might be able to find him that way - if that makes sense?

Thanks for replying.

Ann

I am having problems tracing my great grandfather Samuel Owen, I cannot find proof of his marriage and therefore don't know what else to do. According to the censuses he was born in Liverpool, Lancashire around mid-late 1850s so I thought I would look at possible matches. I don't know if this is a good idea/waste of time but I am desperate.

Thanks for your help

Janet

Janet
who did Samuel marry please and roughly when

pm from janet

"My great grandmother was Emma Amelia Groom, the 1911 census states that they were married in 1888, however I haven't been able to find a record at all for that year or any other.

The first child born was Lily May in 1889, however there is no father named, but when she got married, it gives Samuel as her father!"

so is this Lily May?

Births Mar 1889 (>99%)
Groom Lily May Sudbury 4a 670

and the marriage you are looking for is Samuel Owen to Emma Groom?

Yes, that's her. The next son Owen was born in London, then William in Leighton Buzzard, then my grandfather Samuel back in East London!
and yes it is their marriage I am looking for.

when were Owen William & Samuel born? Were they registered as Groom or Owen?

They must have been lying in 1911 as Lily was born in 1889 & she was registered as 'Groom'

have you found them on the 1891 & 1901 census?

Owen b. 06/11/1890
William b. 21/02/1893
Samuel b. 23/10/1896
all give Samuel Owen as father, although for Owen and William, Emma is the informant of the births.

1891 Census - shows only Emma, Lily and Owen @ 152 Kensal Road along with 4 other families.
1901 Census - they are all listed including another child, Edith b. 07/02/1899 @ 4 Beck Road (again Emma was the informant)

I think Samuel's work in the iron/steel industry may have taken him away from home and that might also explain why William was born in Leighton Buzzard

I can't find any sign of a marriage either. Maybe they just pretended! Perhaps Samuel already had a legal wife.

Thanks for your help